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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    Yes, an extremely dark-skinned person is often reacted to in fear.
    With men, perhaps. Not women.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    With men, perhaps. Not women.
    What would have you believe that to be true?
    There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    What would have you believe that to be true?
    What would have you believe it's not true?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    What would have you believe it's not true?
    My own life experience, and that of many other black women I know rather intimately, discussions with "white" people who spend lots of time considering the topic of racialism, and a large number of literature that supports that reality.

    I can't tell you how many times a "white" associate has awkwardly said to me in casual conversation, "Don't beat me up for saying this", or "I bet you could kick my ass", or "Black people can really fight, I wouldn't want to mess with you". I've never had a "black" person assume me to be capable of physically endangering them.
    There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

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    Lol it's funny to see 2 women thinking they know better what 2 guys are-are not attracted to. I mean...I don't even know where this discussion could go? Shall I think that I know better about menstruation?
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    I don't really see how any 2 specific people of any gender are any more capable of making a generalization about what men on average are attracted to. You're no more in the minds of all other men on the planet than she is. And since women are on the receiving end of male attraction or lack thereof, we do have some reason to maintain an awareness of trends, whereas guys have no practical reason to be aware of menstruation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I don't really see how any 2 specific people of any gender are any more capable of making a generalization about what men on average are attracted to. You're no more in the minds of all other men on the planet than she is. And since women are on the receiving end of male attraction or lack thereof, we do have some reason to maintain an awareness of trends, whereas guys have no practical reason to be aware of menstruation.
    Funnily enough, my lady's visitor cycle is the only thing I have programmed into my phone calendar

    Can't imagine a more crucial piece of information to be honest.

    While I've been watching this thread with interest, I find myself having difficulty relating, so I'm just trying to absorb. Which I suppose is unsurprising, considering I cannot relate to most people, either. Where I grew up [Connecticut suburbs], and in my socioeconomic class, I never noticed racism very much. Because of this, I tended to associate stereotypes and prejudices to culture and upbringing, more than race. For a long time I thought racism wasn't a problem anymore because I couldn't find it, but now I think it's more because I have no idea where to look, or how it can really manifest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I don't really see how any 2 specific people of any gender are any more capable of making a generalization about what men on average are attracted to. You're no more in the minds of all other men on the planet than she is. And since women are on the receiving end of male attraction or lack thereof, we do have some reason to maintain an awareness of trends, whereas guys have no practical reason to be aware of menstruation.
    But we speak with other guys about it. While it's harder (albeit not impossible) that guys will take about their purely physical attraction towards one type or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Let's ask another question - what's wrong with the definition of beauty being largely defined by the majority (or however you are/were wording it)?
    This is exactly the concept of privilege. What it does is extend the preferences of the dominant culture as the universal standard. It becomes the reference point for defining what a human being is, and what they are supposed to look like. It becomes destructive when those who deviate from that standard are seen as not measuring up and become acceptable the more they are able to emulate it.

    What is irrational is when majority preference is mistaken for universality. It is destructive when it is used as a way to further insure the preferences of the dominant group by placing at risk the interests of the minority group beyond the actual representations in terms of population.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't think you can make this blanket statement. As we age, we're better able to filter out what culture defines as attractive versus what we naturally find attractive. So I believe your statement would be more applicable to younger, less independent-thinking people.
    Attraction occurs on many levels and early personal experiences can influence attraction perhaps as much as media images. People resist the idea that their perception can be manufactured, but it can help to view a different culture. Look back into the history of Europe at when having a fair amount of body fat and pale skin was the highest ideal of beauty. This is because that is what the wealthy dominant class looked like. The peasants were thin and tanned. People tend to be too close to their own cultural influences to be able to delineate what is conditioned on a society level and what is conditioned on a personal experience level. The two are intertwined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    But we speak with other guys about it. While it's harder (albeit not impossible) that guys will take about their purely physical attraction towards one type or the other.
    I don't think guys are always 100% honest with each other about who gives them boners. For example, what guy wants to admit in the locker room to liking fat women? And yet, lots of men DO like fat women. Many more than will admit it to other men.
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