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    Default What do you get out of debating controversial issues on this forum?

    The threads on Islam, feminism, incest, homosexuality, anything, they all reach 20+ pages and never go anywhere.

    If you post a well-reasoned, thoughtful, logical answer, somebody will reply to it by picking out one word to nonsensically nitpick or counter with soundbites that don't address any of your specific points.

    To those who participate, why do you bother? I'm concerned for your blood pressure.

    (Yeah, the majority of casual debates you encounter in real life are just as bad, but why participate in those either?)

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    I'm reclusive, so I have very few casual debates in person, so I have no risk of doubling up.

    As for why I debate here, it's just an exercise. There are meaningful, important debates in life, and in the time between those, you'll find me arguing here, to sharpen my knives. It's like how champion boxers fight journeymen.

    Anyway, it's also interesting, too. By participating in so many debates I can find patterns, and start building a composite of how people think and what they believe in. I often reflect on the way people argue.

    Finally, since arguments often reveal beliefs, modes of thinking, composure, etc.. they can be a way to find people of interest.
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    "Never go anywhere" is a personal view and I personally disagree because: I enjoy having my views challenged and pushed for greater clarification, it's how I learn.

    The other person doesn't need to be logical or get my points in order for me to get something out of it and a conclusion that can be agreed upon isn't my aim, it's all about learning, understanding and challenging my own beliefs, other people are generally irrelevant except for the challenge factor and offering alternate views.

    I don't tend to get into too many serious debates online though cause most topics don't really interest me enough and/or I don't have a strong opinion but generally if I do I'm not emotionally invested even if I care about the topic, if people think I'm reacting emotionally no doubt they're projecting. There are things I'm more sensitive to than most but it doesn't get me worked up to be disagreed with.

    Plus of course: I love debates, they make me think.

    That said there are people on different forums that I avoid getting into a debate with as I feel I have very little to learn from their pov as I consider it narrow minded and static, I see them as one-track-horses.

    My blood pressure is fine

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    A good laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofmarhof View Post
    The threads on Islam, feminism, incest, homosexuality, anything, they all reach 20+ pages and never go anywhere.

    If you post a well-reasoned, thoughtful, logical answer, somebody will reply to it by picking out one word to nonsensically nitpick or counter with soundbites that don't address any of your specific points.

    To those who participate, why do you bother? I'm concerned for your blood pressure.

    (Yeah, the majority of casual debates you encounter in real life are just as bad, but why participate in those either?)
    I'm a regular on another forum whose topics in the general discussion section have become restricted to discussing a) Obama b) Islamism. I have been participating in some of the debates, but the recent (or not-so-recent) turn of events led me to the attitude you described above.
    A lot of threads there are nothing than a variety of predictable opinions with no real debate at all; the two or three posters who both challenge my view and can do so in an articulate way are what still keeps me looking into threads there.
    I'm happy to state that I'm much more comfortable with this forum because I see a greater variety of opinions.

    I don't post much here either because frankly, well-reasoned, thoughtful logical answers take a lot of time for me to write, and if it's a hot topic and posts keep pouring down at a fast rate, the informational input can become too much at times. And of course, getting a reply from a poster who resorts to personal attacks or doesn't address your post at all feels like a waste of time. However, engaging in forum discussions can be more interesting and more challenging than casual discussions because of the possibilities textual communication allows for.

    I think that no thread goes anywhere in particular, or I can't quite imagine how that would look like. Maybe that's the case when old threads die because people feel like everything that needed to be said has been said.
    I'm quite fine with that to be honest, and apart from the factual information I can get on forums, discussions for their own sake (both serious and funny) make my time worthwhile.


    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    "Never go anywhere" is a personal view and I personally disagree because: I enjoy having my views challenged and pushed for greater clarification, it's how I learn.
    (plus basically your entire post)
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    Beats arguing with the voices in my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofmarhof View Post
    The threads on Islam,
    Guilty.

    feminism,
    Guilty.

    incest,
    Guilty.

    homosexuality,
    Guilty.

    ... they all reach 20+ pages and never go anywhere.
    What does "going somewhere" mean? You mean that we'll convince someone to reshape their views and beliefs or resolve such topics that even in the larger real world, is still filled with controversy? I have no such expectations.

    I post in a lot of fluff threads as well. It's not an either/or. Sometimes I want some light fun, sometimes more weighty fun. Engaging in idea sharing is fun, either way.

    To those who participate, why do you bother? I'm concerned for your blood pressure.
    Hence, that is why I bother.

    If you post a well-reasoned, thoughtful, logical answer, somebody will reply to it by picking out one word to nonsensically nitpick or counter with soundbites that don't address any of your specific points.
    I may get frustrated if the structure of the discussion seems to go on too many obscure tangents, the other side doesn't address my pov, but, I have the option of ending my engagement with one click of the "logout" button, if it becomes "too much" for me. It's never reached that stage; frustrations from online interactions hardly has any significant level of vested interest on my behalf.

    (Yeah, the majority of casual debates you encounter in real life are just as bad, but why participate in those either?)
    Ask yourself then, why are such topics debated in real life? What's the point of it? If you see our online forum as a mini-slice of the real world, I don't know why the reasonings for participating in such debates would be any different than engaging in these things in real life.

    It's to challenge my own views, to learn from it, to learn to better tackle my stance on an issue, to figure out which parts of my stance are weak, to understand where the other side is coming from.

    It's learning through dialogue.

    I personally think it'd be a sad day in the world, if everyone felt that there was no need to participate in debates because the "topics" are too controversial, too gray, to ever reach a conclusion. It means we've stopped our attempt at communicating because it's "too hard".

    And, it's fun for me personally.

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    Debating controversial issues?

    I'm just here for the porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    Debating controversial issues?

    I'm just here for the porn.
    No porn!! NO PORN!!

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    You mean aside from collecting the IP addresses of my political adversaries, passing that info onto my associates and having those individuals meet with unpleasant "accidents?"

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