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    Default Europe's war on free speech and its consequences

    Leon de Winter: Stop the Trial of Geert Wilders - WSJ.com

    I put "Europe" rather than "Netherlands" into the title because similar restrictions on free speech are in place virtually throughout the European continent.

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    What should I say of it? Both sides seem to be using censorship for their own ends. It's basically a matter of which one is justifiably censored and which is not.

    I must say though, it's one of the strangest trials I have ever heard of.
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    Appeasement, round 2.

    Will we never learn?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Appeasement, round 2.

    Will we never learn?



    What makes you say that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    What makes you say that ?
    Concessions motivated by fear.

    Disclaimer: I only glanced at the link. I'm responding to the thread title.

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    Seems like a great way to make a political martyr out of someone. Ironically, for better or worse, Wilders' views would be considered fairly mainstream in the United States. Either way, should people be treated like infants and the state like a paternal guardian? Will he inspire the normally reasonable Dutch citizens to become frenzied animals, rising against their neighbors?

    However, as an American, it is not my say how the Dutch run things. Let them decide what works best for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penda View Post
    Seems like a great way to make a political martyr out of someone. Ironically, for better or worse, Wilders' views would be considered fairly mainstream in the United States. Either way, should people be treated like infants and the state like a paternal guardian? Will he inspire the normally reasonable Dutch citizens to become frenzied animals, rising against their neighbors?

    However, as an American, it is not my say how the Dutch run things. Let them decide what works best for them.

    Uhhhh, what?
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    Europe has the experience of fascism the US doesnt, at least not in the unfriendly deaths of thousands in attempted genocide variety, understandably its not an experience anyone wants to repeat and consequently Hitler's the best man to consult and he says that the establishment in Germany could have stopped the rise of Nazism if they had acted swiftly enough before they became a mass movement, he says it in Mein Kampf, its there.

    BTW anyone see The Siege? It was on the other night and while it collapses into a cop action flick story it had some good content about police and security forces responses to criminal and terrorist threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Uhhhh, what?
    When is the last time you've watched Fox News or listened to Michael Savage? Pat Buchanan? They use his same talking points. How Muslims are destroying the west, how immigration should be stopped, how English should be the official language of public discourse, etc. The only view that would be a no-no would be denying Muslim religious freedoms. He was even a guest on Fox News at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    What should I say of it? Both sides seem to be using censorship for their own ends. It's basically a matter of which one is justifiably censored and which is not.
    I rather highly suspect that Wilders is only advocating banning the Koran as a means of drawing attention to the elements he finds analogous to banned books; regardless, this trial illustrates some of the multiple problems and dangers of well-intentioned censorship laws, particularly as it relates to unequal protection under the law and the suppression of political and social speech.
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