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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Unfortunately, those figures are going to be very short-lived.
    This is what people said a few months after the collapse, when we were seeing signs of recovery. They said it was just a short blip. Then, 6 months after, we had more good signs, and they said the same thing. Now a year after, the obvious trend is still away from recession. Economists from all over the political spectrum admit that.

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    Im saving this for later.
    Well you can't do worse than Fecal, all he had was a crappy analogy. So go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He needs to have a similar talk with Pelosi. She sucks just as much as these Republican tools.
    I almost like Pelosi just because she makes conservatives psychotic. She makes for a horrible villain too, not that intimidating. And say what you want about her, she has been one of the most effective Speakers in a while. As far as political sway goes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Of course, Obama simply lies as well, and he does it IMHO better than Bill Clinton ever did.

    Obama's Lies Matter, Too - Reason Magazine
    That "Reason" article was poor. They didn't point out one bonafide lie. You can't either. When Bill Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with Monica, now that was a clear lie. But even with Bush, it was hard to pin him on actually lying, even though he was a horrible speaker. Maybe that's just because Bush can claim ignorance. But conscious lying is a hard thing to prove.

    Now, all politicians engage in political spin, including Obama. But that's part of the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I almost like Pelosi just because she makes conservatives psychotic. She makes for a horrible villain too, not that intimidating. And say what you want about her, she has been one of the most effective Speakers in a while. As far as political sway goes.
    This is one of the reasons why I don't like her. She adds to the divisive, uncompromising atmosphere. She's been anything BUT effective. She absolutely sucks. Her strategy is no different than that of her Republican colleagues. You just like her because she has a "D" in front of her name instead of an "R".
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is one of the reasons why I don't like her. She adds to the divisive, uncompromising atmosphere. She's been anything BUT effective. She absolutely sucks. Her strategy is no different than that of her Republican colleagues. You just like her because she has a "D" in front of her name instead of an "R".
    Seriously? The only reason Republicans can't stand her is because she's "out of her place". Sorta like Obama.

    What has she done that's truly deserving of the ire cast upon her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is one of the reasons why I don't like her. She adds to the divisive, uncompromising atmosphere. She's been anything BUT effective. She absolutely sucks. Her strategy is no different than that of her Republican colleagues. You just like her because she has a "D" in front of her name instead of an "R".
    She's effective in her political sway, more so than any recent Speaker. Definitely the most powerful women in Washington, can you name any others that come close? That's part of the reason she is hated by the Right, she's not a lame duck Speaker. If anything resembling a health care bill goes through, it will be because of her, not because of anything Harry Reid or Obama did.

    If she had an R in front of her name, I'd hate her, because she's a good politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Seriously? The only reason Republicans can't stand her is because she's "out of her place". Sorta like Obama.

    What has she done that's truly deserving of the ire cast upon her?
    Yeah, she gets the same kind of hate Hillary Clinton gets. Although Hillary has enjoyed high popularity since becoming Sec. of State. Maybe because she's been battered for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, she gets the same kind of hate Hillary Clinton gets. Although Hillary has enjoyed high popularity since becoming Sec. of State. Maybe because she's been battered for so long.
    Or, the role of "chief diplomat" conforms better to gender stereotypes than "leader of half of the legislature"

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    There's an implicit sexism in always assuming that hatred toward a woman must come from sexism.

    I don't hate her, but I don't care for her much either. She's nothing unusual to see. The only credit I can give her is that at least she does represent some further left ideas than a lot of people in the country, so, like AJ said, she is the most likely source of a meaningful heatlhcare bill being passed, etc.

    But, like any politician who wants to keep a job and push a strong agenda at the same time, she is a disengenous ankle-biter, and I can just imagine her immaturely blowing a raspberry at the Republican caucus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Seriously? The only reason Republicans can't stand her is because she's "out of her place". Sorta like Obama.

    What has she done that's truly deserving of the ire cast upon her?
    For one, she reversed the House Fairness Rules, which has made it more difficult for House Republicans to contribute anything meaningful. I'm not saying that Republicans have anything meaningful to contribute, just that she contributes to the divisive environment, which only hurts us in the long run.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    For one, she reversed the House Fairness Rules, which has made it more difficult for House Republicans to contribute anything meaningful. I'm not saying that Republicans have anything meaningful to contribute, just that she contributes to the divisive environment, which only hurts us in the long run.
    Like the average voter gives a damn about House procedural rules. Only 37% of the population knows what the filibuster is, for godsakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    There's an implicit sexism in always assuming that hatred toward a woman must come from sexism.
    So I'm a Marxist for pointing out that someone's hatred toward the United States' economic system comes from Marxism. Right. Even when their entire means of attacking the system comes straight from Capital.

    I don't hate her, but I don't care for her much either. She's nothing unusual to see. The only credit I can give her is that at least she does represent some further left ideas than a lot of people in the country, so, like AJ said, she is the most likely source of a meaningful heatlhcare bill being passed, etc.

    But, like any politician who wants to keep a job and push a strong agenda at the same time, she is a disengenous ankle-biter, and I can just imagine her immaturely blowing a raspberry at the Republican caucus.
    We elect the politicians we want. Washington wouldn't be full of snakes if voters didn't want to be sure that their guy was just enough of a snake to make sure their district doesn't get left out.

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