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    Lightbulb A world without water

    Weill since people started debating about how dangerous corporations are I want to add another argument in the dscussion. But I will post this as a separated thread.


    Basicly the main question of the thread is do you think that the majority of the worlds population will stay without/without access to fresh water in a near future ? Why?



    Also I will post a documentary in eight parts as the material for discussion.
    To people that are into sciences about environment this is nothing really new but to general public this is mostly unknown.
    The documentary itself is made mostly in a NF fashion. (just saying)



    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-8zkbCjl8"]Part 1[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeRK3PgfaSQ&feature=related"]Part 2[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhS3ZqDn9E&feature=related"]Part 3[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0btlILh7h8&feature=related"]Part 4[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAaX4qx7ygY&feature=related"]Part 5[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L9DTB0y-48&feature=related"]Part 6[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBdJcHpYTgc&feature=related"]Part 7[/YOUTUBE]


    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w33YrMgwFKI&feature=related"]Part 8[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Basicly the main question of the thread is do you think that the majority of the worlds population will stay without/without access to fresh water in a near future ? Why?
    Sorry I didn't have time to watch the documentary -- but I've read a bit about this in the past, and it's a definite problem. Fresh (and unpolluted) water's not something that people can do without for any significant amount of time, and right now we have large populations of people living in areas without a positive balance of incoming water (rain) to usage, especially in areas like Southern California where water has to be piped in artificially from elsewhere. That means that a small variance in supply to those areas can really hurt. Add in overpopulation, contamination, etc. and there's a lot of potential for misery.
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    This is another issue I believe gets overshadowed by the carbon dioxide red herring. The way we handle property rights when it comes to water needs to be totally reworked. I would prefer to see cooperatives set up where the water supply (untreated water) is owned by the people who live in the region. Water treatment and distribution does cost money, though, so I don't necessarily believe everyone has a right to "free" treated water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is another issue I believe gets overshadowed by the carbon dioxide red herring. The way we handle property rights when it comes to water needs to be totally reworked.
    I claim total ignorance as far as concrete knowledge of water rights in relation to private property is concerned, but doesn't the government already posses the authority to appropriate water resources "for public use" as a public good if necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I claim total ignorance as far as concrete knowledge of water rights in relation to private property is concerned, but doesn't the government already posses the authority to appropriate water resources "for public use" as a public good if necessary?
    They probably do, but I don't know any details. That probably has more to do with emergencies/war/etc than every day situations. The problem with water is that it moves and we can run out of it, but we treat water rights similar to how we treat other property rights (like land), as though water is a static entity.

    I could drill a well on a parcel of land by exercising my legal property rights and pump all of the water out of that well. But the aquifer might lie under other land parcels as well, so really, when I pump all of that water out, I'm pumping out other peoples' water, too. But since they never asserted their property rights there's nothing to stop me. What usually ends up happening is the other property owners might sue, after the fact (if they ever find out about it). That's seems horribly inefficient to me. I think we can come up with a better system.

    I'd prefer that this be handled at a more fundamental level than for us to create large government bureaucracies to ration water usage. I'm partial to the idea of creating cooperatives to manage water sources, with the members being those with interests in that water (property owners, other residents, farmers, etc). I'm being intentionally vague, because this would vary depending on circumstance...cities would probably run things differently than those near farmland in Nebraska, aquifers and lakes would be run differently than rivers, and so on. The reason I want water management to be a separate entity from the government is because water doesn't obey political boundaries. For example, the Ogallala Aquifer covers several states in the Midwest. Water cooperatives could still contract private companies to handle the water treatment and distribution, or they could do it themselves.
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