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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    It's a genuine question, not a joke. Unless you're the house, you're statistically likely to lose in a casino. In the stock market, you're statistically likely to gain. The average gain, per annum, is 8-11% on the stock market (using the S&P 500 as an indicator), accounting even for the great depression and this current financial situation.
    Since 1871 there have been exactly 13, 10 year periods of negative returns.
    I think you're probably refering to the in-between bust boons where the average return was indeed 10 percent per year, as mean.

    I suspect this will be the first time in history of fifteen or even twenty years of negative returns. Being all the major induces are still below their 1999 levels? And although we've had the greatest period of growth in the Dow's history since Feburary of 2009.

    The market is still out of synch with the realities of economic conditions. I think we'll get another free fall in early June. And it'd please me greatly to be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Since 1871 there have been exactly 13, 10 year periods of negative returns.
    I think you're probably refering to the in-between bust boons where the average return was indeed 10 percent per year, as mean.

    I suspect this will be the first time in history of fifteen or even twenty years of negative returns. Being all the major induces are still below their 1999 levels? And although we've had the greatest period of growth in the Dow's history since Feburary of 1999.

    The market is still out of synch with the realities of economic conditions. I think we'll get another free fall in early June. And it'd please me greatly to be wrong.
    No, that's accounting for the market corrections as well.

    I wasn't the one who brought up "gambling." The relation of it to the economy has nothing to do with any conversation I've had in this thread. Or did you mean something besides the stock market when you referred to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    No, that's accounting for the market corrections as well.

    I wasn't the one who brought up "gambling." The relation of it to the economy has nothing to do with any conversation I've had in this thread. Or did you mean something besides the stock market when you referred to that?
    As I recall, my words of choice where "global casino" refering to the CDS ponzi schemes institutions of many varieties participated in.

    However, the bubble markets are excellent examples as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Well wren, I think the people performing the healthcare function are fairly and adequately paid...

    What many people are not aware of is that the hospitals, labratories, etc. Are owned by business people who have nothing to do with providing healthcare at all, they're just overhead and make the biggest salaries.

    i.e. A local hospital made 30 Million in revenue last year, but the CEO lost $180 Million in the global casino. So they cut healthcare worker staff hours to help improve the balance sheet while the CEO collected a million dollar bonus for loosing $180 Million dollars.

    That's not the exception in the industry, that's the rule.
    Doctors today get paid about 30 dollars per regular office visit (5 minutes). Specialists who go to the hospital to perform their specialties get paid approximately 700 dollars for a one hour surgery or procedure (meaning even stiches and whatnot) and the hospital gets paid roughly 2000. And that's outpatient care.

    What are your figures?

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