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    Question Socialism vs. Libertarianism

    I've recently been ruminating over the ethics of economic systems and I have been brought to a stand-still between preferring Socialism or Libertarian free market capitalism. Prior to today, I gravitated toward Socialism because free market capitalism is rooted in a Social Darwinist philosophy which I am vehemently opposed to. Why? Because it establishes a class system in which money becomes centralized and confined to a select few wealthy individuals while the lowest minority wallows in impoverishment. The majority fluctuates in between these extremes. So, in affect, a free market creates a dynamic system that eventually becomes embroiled in self-exacerbating stasis once the "trickle down" is inhibited by insufficient expenditures or profits. The man on the bottom is eventually kicked to the curb without a chance to aspire toward "freedom" because of unfortunate circumstance; while the man on top can never be pulled down because his money stacks are compiling at an almost exponential rate. In a moralistic sense, I see this as impersonal dehumanization (In relation to the philosophy of natural selection and social Darwinism) ; almost as if one man were a separate species than another. All men are no longer created equal if their country flings them into nonequivalent socio-economic environments.

    On the other side of the spectrum, we could also utilize social Darwinism to justify socialism. The redistribution of money by a higher power may represent a mother bird (Big Brother lol) feeding her chicks without discrimination. At this point, Social Darwinism is irrelevant. Equalized freedom should be the primary concern for any country that claims to uphold the sovereignty of the people; but this can only be attained through a supply and demand equilibrium or a distribution equilibrium. Fiddle sticks... A purely socialist society can only function if it integrates itself into a globalized framework; as supplies and currency can only be adequately regulated from one specialized location to the others. Consequentially, every nation must operate within a hybrid system until the entire global network falls under either free market or socialist ideology... I have so many conflicting and converging thoughts here that I cannot reconcile them.

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    Oh, God. I'm just going to say now that I am not going to involve myself in this one.

    No one else here that says anything for socialism or against libertarianism is necessarily speaking for me or representing my thoughts.

    Okay, I'm outta here.
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    They're two extremes. The answer might be somewhere in the middle. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    free market capitalism is rooted in a Social Darwinist philosophy which I am vehemently opposed to. Why? Because it establishes a class system in which money becomes centralized and confined to a select few wealthy individuals while the lowest minority wallows in impoverishment. The majority fluctuates in between these extremes. So, in affect, a free market creates a dynamic system that eventually becomes embroiled in self-exacerbating stasis once the "trickle down" is inhibited by insufficient expenditures or profits. The man on the bottom is eventually kicked to the curb without a chance to aspire toward "freedom" because of unfortunate circumstance; while the man on top can never be pulled down because his money stacks are compiling at an almost exponential rate. In a moralistic sense, I see this as impersonal dehumanization (In relation to the philosophy of natural selection and social Darwinism) ; almost as if one man were a separate species than another. All men are no longer created equal if their country flings them into nonequivalent socio-economic environments.
    Libertarian here. Just curious--how many books on libertarianism/classical liberalism have you read? Which ones? Would you like some suggestions on books/sites, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Libertarian here. Just curious--how many books on libertarianism/classical liberalism have you read? Which ones? Would you like some suggestions on books/sites, etc.?
    None. Do you have any recommendations? (Hah, most of my knowledge comes from extrapolated intuition).

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    why not Libertarian Socialism...?

    I think you're kind of pulling these analyzations out of your bum without too much truth to support it. They're cliched. The way you describe socialism sounds more like communism/fruits of Marxist-Hegelian governments which is very different from other forms of socialism. Capitalism rooted in Social Darwinism? I don't know...and the term itself came hundreds of years after capitalism developed... but it has been used by those with Social Darwinist beliefs to further their agendas. Generally the fruits of evil are built on half-truths and deception. The ultimate deception is something that is the opposite of that which it superficially represents (culturally, symbolically, semantically). So we know the love of money is the root of all evil in government, interesting that this goes hand and hand with beliefs in controlling the "useless eaters". Capitalism and Communism are the opposite sides of the same coin.
    The theories of Social Darwinism antecede Darwinism and evolution which is interesting to consider...


    Government is an ugly necessity, yes?

    Really, it is best not to bother worrying and ruminating about these things, and leave it to people who want to war over worldly matters that don't ultimately matter. All governments are doomed to fail because the men in power are fools. You need to be a fool to aspire to such power.

    People cannot find a solution because they do not even know what the problem is...

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    I think I'll stick to Regulated Capitalism as opposed to the two extremes (though Socialism isn't really the extreme. Communism is. but it is pretty left).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    why not Libertarian Socialism...?
    A fusion of libertarian social freedoms with socialist economic freedoms? That's what I hold at the moment. Political representatives like Ron Paul do not subscribe to such things though.

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    I submit to ignorance. I suppose I'll go read up instead of wasting my time on a personality forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    A fusion of libertarian social freedoms with socialist economic freedoms? That's what I hold at the moment. Political representatives like Ron Paul do not subscribe to such things though.
    Yeah, but I support him because he is the only person in government clearly vocal and spot on in his uncovering of its corruption

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