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  • yes, I support a smoking ban both indoors and outdoors

    17 22.08%
  • yes, I support a smoking ban, but only indoors

    32 41.56%
  • no, I do not support a smoking ban/keep things as they were

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    The implementation of a smoking ban should be at the discretion the property owner.
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Maybe it is slightly, but I agree with the last sentence, as my view of tobacco is much the same as cannabis. Do what you want with tabacco, just don't do it around me.

    I would have voted if it was an option to 'Ban smoking everywhere in public but working men's clubs. And while you are at it let them sell cannabis'.
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    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    The implementation of a smoking ban should be at the discretion the property owner.
    I think that there was some off handed reasoning that those businesses employing the ban would fail artificially because a group with one smoker in it will end up at the smoking establishment or some such rubbish.

    Basically people don't want democracy, they think they know better than the majority and they don't care if you disagree with them.

    I mean surely if there was a large enough market for places to be smoke free then smoke free establishments would spring up to address that need?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Basically people don't want democracy, they think they know better than the majority and they don't care if you disagree with them.
    Last time I checked the bans were democratic...?

    I mean surely if there was a large enough market for places to be smoke free then smoke free establishments would spring up to address that need?
    See posts #3 and #7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    Last time I checked the bans were democratic...?
    That's been a tenuous definition for a long time. However that fight would last for twenty pages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    See posts #3 and #7.
    I did note that you INTJ'd it

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    "All we have to do is slap the silly people and remind them that they could think for themselves and accordingly they will do so"

    I approve but have dismal hopes for it succeeding against the weight of numbers of sheep in the populace.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I did note that you INTJ'd it
    :eek: How so?

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    "All we have to do is slap the silly people and remind them that they could think for themselves and accordingly they will do so"

    I approve but have dismal hopes for it succeeding against the weight of numbers of sheep in the populace.
    I don't follow. Would you spell out what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    :eek: How so?
    Logically speaking all we have to do is make everyone more efficient and more like the INTJ mindset. At which point all this pointless debate will stop and the most efficient approach will be adopted.

    Simpletons.


    This is the best bit of the INTJs. Never have met one who saw why it was funny though which of course makes it even funnier
    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    I don't follow. Would you spell out what you mean?
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    And you can't say "go somewhere non-smoking"...everywhere will allow smoking if there is a demand for it. Bars and clubs would lose business by outlawing smoking unless it was in effect everywhere..it needs to be a universal ban or everyone would allow it for pure economic reasons.
    I agree, but I think it bears emphasis that allowing smoking is only universally profit-maximizing under the present bias assumption that I made (or another assumption of irrationality).

    Just preempting the standard objection should a libertarian with a little knowledge of neoclassical economics happen upon the thread.
    =People are under the illogical conception that people have to smoke and that these places are smoking places. This is absurd. They are only such places because that's how people treated them originally and ergo if they were slapped hard enough and given some good ole INTJ sense they'd see that they are wrong and I am right. With such a result both they and I will be much happier.

    (I'm parodying the answer only to amuse. I'm not trying to score points. Just playing )
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    This is the best bit of the INTJs. Never have met one who saw why it was funny though which of course makes it even funnier

    (I'm parodying the answer only to amuse. I'm not trying to score points. Just playing )
    New goal: Understand satire like this.

    (I still don't get what's being parodied. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Economica View Post
    New goal: Understand satire like this.

    (I still don't get what's being parodied. )
    Some spend their entire lives and still rarely understand my sense of humour

    I'm special.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I like indoor smoking bans because I like going out, and cigarette smoking makes me physically ill, but I can't bring myself to support them.
    I don't wanna!

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