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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Power is neither good nor bad, it simply is. Anything with the power to do good has the power to do bad. Anything with the power to give has the power to take.

    Those corporations with the most potential to be a danger are those corporations with the most potential to be a benefit.
    This seems like an over-simplification, and I suspect your stance here does not account well for the reasons behind the pervasive centralization vs decentralization debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    This seems like an over-simplification, and I suspect your stance here does not account well for the reasons behind the pervasive centralization vs decentralization debate.
    Yes, what I said isn't precisely true. It illustrated a point that large corporations are essentially governments unto themselves. Indeed they are republics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Yes, what I said isn't precisely true. It illustrated a point that large corporations are essentially governments unto themselves. Indeed they are republics.
    They might be like republics from the shareholder's standpoint, but they're like dictatorships from the employee's standpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    They might be like republics from the shareholder's standpoint, but they're like dictatorships from the employee's standpoint.
    Then the employee is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Then the employee is wrong.
    Wrong? What in the hell are you talking about?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Wrong? What in the hell are you talking about?
    If the employee thinks their employing corporation to be a dictator or run by dictators, then the employee is factually incorrect. No executive or board member has absolute power. They have a legal fiduciary duty to their voters, the shareholders. This is not a dictatorship and this is relevant to the employee.

    Without the shareholders, the corporation would not exist, so the inclusion of that element must be included in the perspective of the employee.

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    I'd say that Xe Services LLC is the most dangerous corporation in the world
    Most of you will probably know it under the name "Blackwater Worldwide".
    Military contractor hopping about in Iraq and Afghanistan etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    If the employee thinks their employing corporation to be a dictator or run by dictators, then the employee is factually incorrect. No executive or board member has absolute power. They have a legal fiduciary duty to their voters, the shareholders. This is not a dictatorship and this is relevant to the employee.

    Without the shareholders, the corporation would not exist, so the inclusion of that element must be included in the perspective of the employee.
    I said from the "employee's standpoint", so to say that shareholders must be included is to change the perspective since most employees never have any sort of interaction with shareholders, except with small, single shareholder corporations.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I said from the "employee's standpoint", so to say that shareholders must be included is to change the perspective since most employees never have any sort of interaction with shareholders, except with small, single shareholder corporations.
    If an employee's perspective doesn't include that the corporation has shareholders, than it's not a very accurate perspective. An inaccurate perspective can lead to a belief that is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    If the employee thinks their employing corporation to be a dictator or run by dictators, then the employee is factually incorrect. No executive or board member has absolute power. They have a legal fiduciary duty to their voters, the shareholders. This is not a dictatorship and this is relevant to the employee.

    Without the shareholders, the corporation would not exist, so the inclusion of that element must be included in the perspective of the employee.
    A corporation may not technically qualify as a dictatorship, but that technicality is no matter, because as a government structure corporations are still highly authoritarian, which means the important essence of what Lateralus was saying is still correct.

    In plenty of authoritarian nations there are multiple, divided factions influencing the power structure. A Soviet citizen could always count on that. It did not amount to much for the Soviet people, however, because it was a system in which they themselves still had no influence.

    The corporate employee finds him/her self in the same position. What should the employee care about the shareholder's impact on the executives, when the shareholder has no accountability to the employee?
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