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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I explained in more detail earlier. I'm not going to hold your hand.
    I take it you do not believe ads constitute violence (me shooting you) or the immediate threat of violence (me pointing a gun at your head and threatening to shoot you)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Interstate commerce clause. Money qua property most certainly may be regulated by Congress.

    Calling donations "commerce" is a huge stretch, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Calling donations "commerce" is a huge stretch, though.
    Calling paid political ads "donations" is an even huger one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Calling donations "commerce" is a huge stretch, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Calling paid political ads "donations" is an even huger one.
    This isn't the point anyway. The point is that we do have regulations of property and finance, and to get rid of all of them would be incredibly stupid. Since we can conclude from there that some property/finance regulations are okay, we have a base to start making the claim that campaign finance regulation among the kind that are okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Calling paid political ads "donations" is an even huger one.
    I don't disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that the Interstate Commerce Clause clearly does not cover donations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    This isn't the point anyway. The point is that we do have regulations of property and finance, and to get rid of all of them would be incredibly stupid. Since we can conclude from there that some property/finance regulations are okay, we have a base to start making the claim that campaign finance regulation among the kind that are okay.

    Why? That doesn't follow logically at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I don't disagree, but that doesn't change the fact that the Interstate Commerce Clause clearly does not cover donations.
    Paying someone money to produce an advertisement, provided it was funneled via "donations", if it crosses state lines or is intended to air across state lines, is interstate commerce, regardless of what anyone says.

    Along with that, the decision also eviscerates states' ability to regulate these sort of advertisements by labeling them a fundamental right. This is tyrannical judicial activism in its worst form, the sort of thing I'd figure you'd be staunchly against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    I take it you do not believe ads constitute violence (me shooting you) or the immediate threat of violence (me pointing a gun at your head and threatening to shoot you)?
    It is a threat to the democratic process, as in, yes, it will destroy it, just as you dousing me in gasoline and setting me on fire would destroy me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Paying someone money to produce an advertisement, provided it was funneled via "donations", if it crosses state lines or is intended to air across state lines, is interstate commerce, regardless of what anyone says.
    I agree with that, but donations directly to a candidate are definitely NOT commerce.


    Along with that, the decision also eviscerates states' ability to regulate these sort of advertisements by labeling them a fundamental right. This is tyrannical judicial activism in its worst form, the sort of thing I'd figure you'd be staunchly against.
    The federal government should make the rules for federal elections. I don't see how that is judicial activism. Besides, "judicial activism" has become a euphemism for those of every political stripe to employ when they mean "I don't like this decision." It's not as if I am against the 14th Amendment or anything.
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    Meanwhile, wasn't 2008 (covered under McCain/Feingold) the most expensive campaign year on record?

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