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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    It is.

    But the current rise of temperature is occuring at a rate never, never ever recorded in the past. And we have multiple evidences of that (1).

    Hence the term: anomality.
    I do not agree with this conclusion, not that it is necessarily wrong, but that it is presumptuous. A more accurate conclusion would be "still calculating" or "sample size too small".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    The normal temperature range for earth was initially between 700-1000 degrees C.

    Granted in that perspective the biggest problem is "global cooling", it might be nice if it did warm up a bit.
    I think the temperature record that is most important would be the record for the time that the atmosphere had roughly the current composition, with the continents arranged at least closely to how they are now. How far back is that? 20-30 million years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I think the temperature record that is most important would be the record for the time that the atmosphere had roughly the current composition, with the continents arranged at least closely to how they are now. How far back is that? 20-30 million years?
    It's been many years since I'd taken Geology, and a google didn't yield anything quickly. But an interesting thought you have there.

    Earth's such an odd ball planet. It's surprising this rock still has atmosphere, and a magnetic field that can protect it from various things. Otherwise we'd already look like our next closest neighbor, which it is theorized initially had the opportunity for atmosphere too.

    The absence of a protective magnetic field is largely what cooked and cooled it's goose.

    I suspect the space program would have evolved more quickly and have become more advanced, with a neighboring goal in site.

    Just to find out what kind of life, might have evolved there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I do not agree with this conclusion, not that it is necessarily wrong, but that it is presumptuous. A more accurate conclusion would be "still calculating" or "sample size too small".
    Teach me my own job... I'm sure you better at it than me...

    Please, do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Teach me my own job... I'm sure you better at it than me...

    Please, do!
    Statistics are statistics regardless of the field of science. Based on your statements, I do believe I understand statistics better than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Statistics are statistics regardless of the field of science. Based on your statements, I do believe I understand statistics better than you do.
    :yim_rolling_on_the_

    You don't even know what we're talking about. Too bad. Dendrochronology is fun, especially within rapid deteriorating ecosystems.

    But what, you never did that? I mean, wandering into a forest is FUN! Collecting insects, pollens and seeds, you know... Taking samples of the soil, doing just a spoon of paleoclimatology thanks to acidic peat bogs...

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    Now I'll let the two self-declared Masters continue their monologue, while I discreetly fly away from their nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    :yim_rolling_on_the_

    You don't even know what we're talking about. Too bad. Dendrochronology is fun, especially within rapid deteriorating ecosystems.

    But what, you never did that? I mean, wandering into a forest is FUN! Collecting insects, pollens and seeds, you know... Taking samples of the soil, doing just a spoon of paleoclimatology thanks to acidic peat bogs...

    ---

    Now I'll let the two self-declared Masters continue their monologue, while I discreetly fly away from their nonsense.
    Tree rings only give temperature measurements that go back so far. How far back do ice core samples go? ~800,000 years? You're still missing nearly 20,000,000 years of temperature measurements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Tree rings only give temperature measurements that go back so far. How far back do ice core samples go? ~800,000 years? You're still missing nearly 20,000,000 years of temperature measurements.
    You don't even know what an ecosystem is, and what you could learn thanks to it.

    And yet, this guy wants to teach me my job!
    Fascinating!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    You're just answering this to provoke an argument, aren't you? :rolli:

    You troll.



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    So what are you saying here? That you don't have thirty million years of empirical data to back up the Global Warming bunk?

    And that going back to 1880 is a valid statistical sample?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    After the Revolutionary War, the founding fathers wanted to distant themselves from English culture. They streamlined the spelling (Webster's Dictionary was published around this time) and even created a different style of holding silverware. Call it crazy, but they just wanted America to have a unique "feel" even if we were still speaking the same (arguably) language.
    English has irregular spelling because each word is a reflection of its history.

    But Noah Webster was an American revolutionary who wanted to cut American English off from its roots.

    Noah was immensely influential in American education, but even he could not change the nature of English. And all he left was a vulgar form of English.

    And of course he left behind a President who told us with a straight face that the French did not even have a word for entrepreneur.

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