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    Default Socialism is never going to be as trendy as capitalism

    Do you agree with the statement in the title of this thread or can you offer some alternative perspective or argument?

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    How do you define socialism and capitalism? Most economic systems in the world are a mix of the two pure concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    How do you define socialism and capitalism? Most economic systems in the world are a mix of the two pure concepts.
    Was thinking less of the economies of the world and more of the modern political ideologies themselves, there's a certain convergence going on globally in national economies as they develop but its not going to effect whether or not an individual identifies themselves as either capitalist or socialist in their out look.

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    I agree.

    After all, who can be the trendiest of trendy hipsters if everyone can afford to buy the same trendy outfits?
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    Socialism is too idealistic to work, but capitalism needs enough of a dash of socialism to keep it human.
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    I hope it's true since I don't really like the idea of socialism.
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    If everything goes as planned, capitalism and socialism will soon be put back in their 19th/20th century boxes to make way for what will be called "Modern Economics".
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    I think one would need to define "socialism" and "capitalism" and "trendy" and "never" and "be".
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    I will repeat the sentiments that a defintiion is needed, and the fact that most economies are mixed.

    Let's try something simple and give the first two paragraphs of the wiki article.

    Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

    Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.
    There are two things we can say immedietely. One is that socialism is clearly a rather broad concept. The other is that it's an even broader concept, given that the differences between capitalism and socialism are not a dichotomy, but a continuum (hence all of the mixing).

    As far as the development of nations are going, the more advanced nations have increasingly leaned toward socialism (the USA has been a hold-out, lagged behind the rest of the developed world, and is often oblivious to the political norms around it) so in terms of actually being applied, I think it can easily be as trendy. And when it comes to the future of culture, it's hard to say where things will go anyhow. Never is a foolish word in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you agree with the statement in the title of this thread or can you offer some alternative perspective or argument?
    I think socialism and atheism are trendy in the USA because both transgress.

    They provide a frisson of novelty in the New World.

    And Capitalism depends on novelty for novelty is merely the flip side of creative destruction.

    You might say the USA is a fabulous because it is a land of fables. And just as any fable has its light relief, socialism and atheism provide the light relief for the fable of Capitalism.

    And as in any good fable we all want to know what is coming next.

    So the American, Ezra Pound, advised all young fabulists to -

    "Make it new".

    And Ezra followed his own advice and became an American traitor in World War II.

    So Ezra Pound, the great American poet, transgressed and made it new in the New World, just as the revolutionaries of 1776 transgressed and invented the New World of Capitalism.

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