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    If the motivation for competition is success*, then that trend for success will become trendy.

    If the motivation for cooperation is success*, then that trend for success will become trendy.

    Extreme ends of the same continuum of human condition. So, when we (try to) meet at the middle, a balance of competition and cooperation, it doesn't matter about trends (direction). The seesaw lays horizontally straight.

    *Question: what is success?

    Answer, in our global economy: $ (a game of Monopoly)

    It's obvious then in which way the seesaw will t(r)end to tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    *Question: what is success?

    Answer, in our global economy: $ (a game of Monopoly)

    It's obvious then in which way the seesaw will t(r)end to tip.
    Oh? Which way is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Oh? Which way is that?
    Guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Guess.
    I think the answer is cooperation, but this is apparently inobvious to many people. What you were saying I do not know. Most say competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I think the answer is cooperation, but this is apparently inobvious to many people. What you were saying I do not know. Most say competition.
    I'd say competition too, can you explain why you would say cooperation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    I'd say competition too, can you explain why you would say cooperation?
    What is an oligopoly but cooperative? Sure, every business dreams of being a monopoly, and monopolies do exist here and there, but oligopolies are more common, more feasible, and more stable. In many cases, the attempts made by all to become a monopoly is more self-damaging than agreeing to collude, and become an oligopoly. So we have a cooperative norm.

    And look also, at these lobbyists and political action committees, etc... The business gives money to the politician, the politician uses some to win a campaign, some to indulge him/her self. Then to uphold their end of the bargain, the politician manipulates the law to help the business. The business is pleased, it likes the record so far, it will give the politician money again. This, too, is cooperation.

    The idea that success, particularly the maximization of self-interests, lies always in competition, is a popular philosophy but one thoroughly disproven by game theory, even without citing the real life examples I use. Cooperation and/or reciprocation will often get you more.

    Of course, I also know that you can frame things in so many ways. May the oligopoly is competitive; the managers and distributers against the laborers and producers, eh? But I hate it when the argument turns into a battle of framing.

    EDIT: And let it be said that a monopoly is neither cooperative nor competitive. It is singular, so devoid of any relationship dynamic. It takes a sort of competitive behavior to become a monopoly (though it's usually caled anti-competitive since it ultimately aims to destroy competition). So where to put a monopoly into this system isn't quite clear itself.
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    Cooperation does not always rule out competition. One could say that oligopolies exist because they are expedient in competition against individual companies and other oligopolies.
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    Capitalism is "trendy" ? What do you think Capitalism actually is?

    It never ceases to amaze me how most Irish know next to nothing about their most famous philosopher. I was at a pub in NYC and the bartender there didn't know at first hand who Adam Smith even was, until I reminded him. So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    One could say that oligopolies exist because they are expedient in competition against individual companies and other oligopolies.
    Perhaps I am naive, but I cannot think of a good example of an oligopoly forming to compete with another oligopoly. I'm not sure if such an occurence is likely, or even makes sense. An oligopoly is when a small number of firms own all or nearly all of a market share. So, it can't really be one oligopoly vs another, unless you're talking about competition between two markets (which is itself an oddly loose concept).

    I suppose it's worth noting that it's theoretically possible for there to be competition within an oligopoly and it happens sometimes. But usually they collude, and collusive behavior is what I'm really talking about here. Perhaps you are referring to a situation in which one group of firms collude and another group of firms collude and the groups then compete with each other in that market. I can't think of an example of that either, though.
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    Your thread title is amusing because the word "trendy" in and of itself has a commercial, capitalist undertone.

    Also, socialism has been "trendy" since the 19th century if you look at things on a global scale, so ...

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