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    What does everyone think of charity appeals? From the guy in the street to the ads on TV telling us to open our eyes to the suffering all around us, that children die from cruelty, that dogs are abandoned by their owners or people are starving in foreign countries again.

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    Most charity appeals are the political equivalent of kitsch with their bad taste.

    Plus most advocating that we must do X for the children never see the big picture. They might hate on corporations without realizing that capitalism is transforming millions of proletarians into proprietors-- materially, the world is becoming a better place. Even worse, do-gooders joining ridiculous causes wrongly personalize the idea of poverty, as if our richers are causing it by not sharing. Remember the "We are the World" nonsense from Hollywood in the 80s trying to stop poverty in Africa? They ignored that Ethiopia was suffering because Marxist-Leninists took over the country. We have bad crop years in the free world all the time, but no one starves, because we have open markets. Regime change is the best solution for poverty in the long term. But almost all clamoring that we help people in places like Sudan oppose military intervention as some sort of sinister imperialism. As if magical words and throwing money at problems can make a difference. Yeah, right.

    The worst aspect of charity pimps is that no one is stopping *them* from giving their own money to other people. The IRS takes donations in the form of check or money orders. No, the point is to confiscate assets from other people-- a lot of times I sense a deep hatred of flourishing and excellence more than a genuine concern for other people.

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    I am Ok with the bonafide ones. In fact I get a weird satisfaction watching those people who think they are "good people" do nothing except squirm in their seats as they sit and watch the dying children in Africa with the flies on their eyeballs. When it comes to world hunger, I am mostly with Bono and think it should stop...at the same time...somebody give them some prophylactics too please.

    My favorite charity is the individual bum on the street (not everyone, they eventually piss me off too). Even though it makes me an enabler at least I know the money makes it to the intended recipient.
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    Oh, man! Salvation Army people and that bell ... one of these days I'm gonna grab that bell and stick it where the bell-ringer's sun don't shine ... it makes me positively grinchy. Yet another reason to order my groceries online.

    I do give to charity, so I don't give to bums and people begging on the street. I used to be just the opposite, but since I'm old enough to have started to make a little money, I write a check or two.

    Sometimes I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed to death. Go to the pet store for cat food and I have to check Yes or No regarding donations before I can check out (I adopted a sick cat who cost me $600 before I'd even had her a month, is that not enough?!); go to the drug store or grocery store and there are similar fund drives on the reader when I swipe my card ... I have no idea whether they're real or not, and the point of sale thing plus tracking my purchases makes me feel my privacy's invaded and my time is being stolen, so, to come to the point, they annoy me so I don't contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    Most charity appeals are the political equivalent of kitsch with their bad taste.

    Plus most advocating that we must do X for the children never see the big picture. They might hate on corporations without realizing that capitalism is transforming millions of proletarians into proprietors-- materially, the world is becoming a better place. Even worse, do-gooders joining ridiculous causes wrongly personalize the idea of poverty, as if our richers are causing it by not sharing. Remember the "We are the World" nonsense from Hollywood in the 80s trying to stop poverty in Africa? They ignored that Ethiopia was suffering because Marxist-Leninists took over the country. We have bad crop years in the free world all the time, but no one starves, because we have open markets. Regime change is the best solution for poverty in the long term. But almost all clamoring that we help people in places like Sudan oppose military intervention as some sort of sinister imperialism. As if magical words and throwing money at problems can make a difference. Yeah, right.

    The worst aspect of charity pimps is that no one is stopping *them* from giving their own money to other people. The IRS takes donations in the form of check or money orders. No, the point is to confiscate assets from other people-- a lot of times I sense a deep hatred of flourishing and excellence more than a genuine concern for other people.
    Well, I've not seen any charitable productions here which involve hating on corporations as you put it and I'm not sure what way they personalse poverty and make it appear as though its a consequence of failing to share. Think that perhaps you were making your own point there.

    I do think you have a point about not looking too closely at the causes of famine in the countries where it happens, that is a problem, I dont know whether not that country had a marxist-leninst government and I think it matters little, there was and is little in the way of governmental competence or consequences in most of those countries, as a result I cant believe regime change is he soluton, what would you change it to? It'd be as glorious a misadventure as Iraq.

    Its not open markets which have protected the developed world from famine though, its been food security policies which the world bank, IMF, World Trade Organisation and other international free marketeers have condemned as anti-competitive, such as common agricultural policies and farming subsidies.

    While these same policies create surpluses and super abundance which in theory drive down prices for export hunting agricultural production in the unindustrialised third world those nations have never been able to produce food to the standards of their rivals or guarantee supply wont be interfered with by regime change or instability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    My favorite charity is the individual bum on the street (not everyone, they eventually piss me off too). Even though it makes me an enabler at least I know the money makes it to the intended recipient.
    Yeah, my favourite charity would be family, friends and perhaps their immediate dependents but that itself would depend on my assessment of the situation. Often money isnt going to solve whatever trials, travils and personal problems they are having.

    I dont believe that poverty can be considering to exist in any society in which obescity, heart disease, liver disease have displaced starvation and malnourishment as socially consequential ailments.

    As a socialist I think the economy should be able to support productive families and communities anyway, if it cant then there's some sort of contradiction which needs to be addressed through economic restructuring, culural adjustment or the reassertion of legitmate authority, not continually ameliorated through charitable support.

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