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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The socialists introduced a five day week.
    To what end?

    The rate of homicide doubled.
    right- just because it's your beleif that becomes widespread doesn't mean that society won't have fun with it

    of course it will have its downside- there's a lot more accidents and a nice number of robberies and house fires during the holiday season
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Exactly who is offended by "Merry Christmas"? It generally seems that very few people actually are, Christian or no. I was actually reading a few days ago how Jews several generations ago actually celebrated Christmas more than Hanukhah(which is a minor festivel in Jewish tradition). Over time, it became sorta the Jewish substitute for Christmas. I'll let Haphazard fill in the details here.
    The true story of Hannukah: "Once upon a time, a little Jewish boy asked his Jewish dad, 'Hey, Dad, why are all the Christian kids getting presents this time of year and I'm not?' And thus, Hannukah was born!"

    I don't mind people wishing me Merry Christmas. I guess us Jews do celebrate it, in a way, though it doesn't involve a tree and a church but instead a movie and a Chinese restaurant. "Merry Christmas" doesn't bother me. Neither does a "Christmas Tree". Christmas candy tastes just as sweet, and Secret Santa can be fun. However, there are a few things that DO bother me about Christmas.

    And they are:
    *the insane hours my mother has to work as she works in retail
    *the takeover of all television channels
    *those new LED lights that hurt your eyes when you're driving
    *having to batten down the hatches on Black Friday
    *how difficult it is just to get like toothpaste or something closer it is to Christmas because of the Christmas rush
    *stores playing Christmas music nonstop since Thanksgiving
    *Decorations staying up until February
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    I'm a practicing RC and follower of Christ, as such I've become disilusioned with "Christmas" and pretty much think of it as "Seasonal Shopping Festival" and dont really feel that perturbed by "happy holidays", for a lot of people its not even a holiday, its an intensive period of work, I'll be working over Christmas next year I'm sure.

    I liked some of the radio DJs slagging of the x-mas phenomenon and saying lets not take the Christ out of Christmas as stuff like that, to be honest I think if people are really vexed by seasonal/cultural festivities which are popular in a particular place and they are so vexed that they cant ignore it then they can go live some place else.

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    Merry Christmas!

    *wonders when pre-enlightenment thinking will only be held by a minority group of people that will undoubtedly be located somewhere in Utah*

    Merry Christmas to you as well!
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    About 1 out of 4 people in the US are non-Christians. So from a business standpoint, it makes more sense to use "Happy Holidays" than "Merry Christmas", and acknowledge more of the market.

    The real question is what makes the phrase "Happy Holidays" so insufferable to certain people? The American Family Association even called for a boycott this year of companies like Gap and Old Navy that didn't use the word "Christmas" in their promotions. That's much more petty than a Jew or Muslim being put off by someone saying Merry Christmas to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    About 1 out of 4 people in the US are non-Christians. So from a business standpoint, it makes more sense to use "Happy Holidays" than "Merry Christmas", and acknowledge more of the market.
    Not if that upset more than 25% of the 75%.
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    I think the problem non-Christians have with Christmas trees in public places is that if they're being paid for by the government. Just because you call it a "holiday" tree doesn't mean you didn't waste non-Christian tax dollars on a useless ornamental tree instead of something useful, like schools or roads or something.

    Of course, this does not apply to malls and such, they can decorate as they please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    That's much more petty than a Jew or Muslim being put off by someone saying Merry Christmas to them.
    I agree.

    And to be honest, someone saying "Merry Christmas" to me doesn't really bother me. However, sometimes I will think in my very sarcastic and cynical perspective, "Great, your people attempted to wipe out my people five times, which I'm aware of, and now I'm supposed to forget and be merry about your religions major holiday? . . . eh, no."

    But then I'm over it in less than fifteen seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    However, there are a few things that DO bother me about Christmas.

    And they are:
    *the insane hours my mother has to work as she works in retail
    *the takeover of all television channels - Don't watch TV, read a book, get a DVD
    *those new LED lights that hurt your eyes when you're driving
    *having to batten down the hatches on Black Friday
    *how difficult it is just to get like toothpaste or something closer it is to Christmas because of the Christmas rush - Buy in bulk before the crazies start doing their rounds
    *stores playing Christmas music nonstop since Thanksgiving - carry your own tunes
    *Decorations staying up until February
    It bothers you because you let it bother you. Instead of concentrating on all that you find negative about this, let go of it, you can't change other people no matter what and you'll only feed your negativity towards it. What you can do is change your attitude and try to find things that you do like about the holidays and concentrate on them.

    I'm not religious and wishing "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" is all the same to me. I don't stress around the presents and all the crazy things that people bother themselves with because I don't let it get to me. Traditions are nice and all but if they become a burdensome obligation, then they're pretty much worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    It bothers you because you let it bother you. Instead of concentrating on all that you find negative about this, let go of it, you can't change other people no matter what and you'll only feed your negativity towards it. What you can do is change your attitude and try to find things that you do like about the holidays and concentrate on them.

    I'm not religious and wishing "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" is all the same to me. I don't stress around the presents and all the crazy things that people bother themselves with because I don't let it get to me. Traditions are nice and all but if they become a burdensome obligation, then they're pretty much worthless.
    I watch people scurry around in panic over Christmas and I keep trying to tell them, "It doesn't have to be this way!" And yet, they keep saying back, "Yes it does! This is how it's always been!"

    All the problems concerning the holiday would go away if they put the Christ back in and the Mass Market out.
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