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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Distributism is not about ludditism. In fact both Chesterton and Belloc critiqued such an attitude as a "blind revolt against the future". They weren't even against industry per se.
    I'm taking it all from Lark. If you want to enlighten me, you may go ahead.
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    Sure what do you want to know? I'm well read on this topic. This might also interest you as well:
    The Distributist Review

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Sure what do you want to know? I'm well read on this topic. This might also interest you as well:
    The Distributist Review
    I'll check that video out at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

    My main question must go back to where Lark's response differs from yours. In my first post I said;

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    This seems very unadministrative. I question the use of these policies to society. Self-subisistence, and true self-determination, are very demanding missions that give the practioner little room to do much else. That includes thing that alter the course of society as a whole. It is no mere coincidence that the cultures with the most individual self-subsistence are the most primitive and have the smallest populations, and the most modern and populous cultures have the list individual self-subsistence.
    Lark responded that it could be luddism, but that he thought it was beyond that. He essentially said it meant a more primitive existince in material and abstract terms (if I understood him properly). This is where you disagreed. You say distributism does not involve luddism or being inherently primitive. So I ask you then, how you can reconcile thsi with my quoted paragraph above. How does such a self-subsistent and unadministered approach to life allow of anything like industrial technology to exist?

    And further more, I'd like your thoughts on this question I also asked in my first post;

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    EDIT: Oh yes, and this idea also faces an obvious problem concerning the central whos and hows. How is this productive property going to be distributed and who's going to see to getting it done?
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    sure I'll get back to that when I have time. Im a little proccupied atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'll check that video out at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

    My main question must go back to where Lark's response differs from yours. In my first post I said;



    Lark responded that it could be luddism, but that he thought it was beyond that. He essentially said it meant a more primitive existince in material and abstract terms (if I understood him properly). This is where you disagreed. You say distributism does not involve luddism or being inherently primitive. So I ask you then, how you can reconcile thsi with my quoted paragraph above. How does such a self-subsistent and unadministered approach to life allow of anything like industrial technology to exist?

    And further more, I'd like your thoughts on this question I also asked in my first post;
    I dont believe its primitivist at all, I wouldnt say that, its definitely NOT anything like Zerzan or the other perspectives that I associate with that current of thought.

    It is on the other hand something akin to paleo-conservative, you couldnt consider them to be primitivist per se but they do hold out the ideal or utopia of the independent yeoman farmer social order much like Jefferson.

    I do believe its difficult to square the circle, the list of policy or principle statements which were in the original post, such as subsidiarity in practice, go some way to this end but it remains an essential truth that in the servile state Belloc rejected much of the administrative side of modern life. His grievance is essentially as I outlined it and with the managerial class, displacement, dependency and those trends.

    He felt that modern conditions entailed slavery, that industrialism plus socialism resulted in the servile state, which was neither truly capitalist, nor truly socialist either.

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    Distributism is about establishing a sustainable post-industrial system than primitivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Distributism is about establishing a sustainable post-industrial system than primitivism.
    I still think its a sort of Bismarck Conservatism, the Germans call it "socialism of the chair" or institutional economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I still think its a sort of Bismarck Conservatism, the Germans call it "socialism of the chair" or institutional economics.
    I disagree, Belloc and Chesterton constantly criticised Bismarck and his system. Distributism has more affinity with the socialism of William Morris or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon than that of Bismarck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I disagree, Belloc and Chesterton constantly criticised Bismarck and his system. Distributism has more affinity with the socialism of William Morris or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon than that of Bismarck.
    Its possible to make the case I suppose, in the context of his day Belloc did think he was a left liberal or fervant anti-capitalist but I still think that its poll apart from socialism, at least in practice, the distributivists in Ireland were almost violently opposed to socialism and allied themselves with right wing elements like the blueshirt movement who volunteered to fight in support of fascist causes abroad.

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    I'm well aware of the Blueshirts and fascism, although even then you can't make a comparison with Bismarck's system.

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