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    I dont like what it does to this planet and to poor people who need to do the slave work for cheap(and also expensive like iphones etc) items for the people who can afford buying them. Its not that i dont consume at all, but i try to not buy stuff i dont need and i prefer buying 2nd hand stuff.

    But when consumed properly, it can do more good than bad. For example buying a table from a local carpenter supports the carpenter and helps his business flourish even tho ikea tries to hijack the business with cheap shit made in malaysia that is designed to only last for a while so that you would consume more of their cheap shit. 2nd hand stuff doesent really support either ikea or the local carpenter, so if i had the money i would rather buy the local carpenters table new rather than 2nd hand.
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    I like that it gives 7 billion people something to do besides kill each other. So, it can stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant View Post
    I like that it gives 7 billion people something to do besides kill each other. So, it can stay.
    This is a better representation of reality:



    [Intro: Interview sample]
    "When you were over in American Samoa, what surprised you the most?"
    "I guess what hit me the most was the condition of the factory that the workers were in
    the factory was surrounded by a fence and barbed wire on top, and on the bottom
    and they have a chain linked fence around the whole factory, and military compound
    the gate has a guard shack where the guard sit there and ... the worker movement
    in and out of the factory, the factory made of tin panels, tin roof, it's really hot
    the temperature over there is regularly ninety degrees, and inside the factory
    it reach way over a hundred degrees"

    [Verse 1: Vinnie Paz]
    Yeah, it's a contemporary form of slavery, they call it slave labor
    But they don't prosecute them 'cause it's how they make paper
    When you rockin' that fly shit that's made in China
    By an eight year old child tryin' to feed him mama
    He exposed to contamination and disease
    And only fifty-five percent of them will get degrees
    And the women have to try to placate the boss
    Because of sex discrimination in the labor force
    The slave master only let them speak in sign language
    And they sufferin' from lung disease and eye damage
    Fourteen hour shifts, seven days a week
    Two shitty meals a day, very little sleep
    Human life only worth three cents an hour
    All human rights lost, no sense of power
    Workin' for a hundred years in the grave passes
    Only the improved cleverness of slave masters

    [Hook:]
    Is life worth livin' if you livin' in Hell?
    When the mind is confined to a prisoner cell?
    And the lies they devise and the system, it fail
    But I expect the system to fail
    Is life worth livin' if you livin' in Hell?
    When the mind is confined to a prisoner cell?
    And the lies they devise and the system, it fail
    But I expect the system to fail

    [Break: News sample]
    "Many Chinese workers are forced to sign secret agreements
    known as "Shadow contracts" before they leave China
    severely, and in some ways, illegally restricting their activities while on
    American soil
    workers are forbidden to participate in any religious or political
    activities
    or to ask for a salary increase, or even to fall in love or get married"

    [Verse 2: Vinnie Paz]
    It's 1.6 million people locked in jail
    They the new slave labor force, trapped in Hell
    They generate over a billion dollars worth of power
    And only gettin' paid twenty cents an hour
    They make clothes for McDonald's and for Applebee's
    And workin' forty-hour shifts in prison factories
    And while we sit around debatin' who the wack MC's
    They have to work when arthritic pain attack the knees
    Slavery's not illegal, that's a fuckin' lie
    It's illegal, unless it's for conviction of a crime
    The main objective is to get you in your fuckin' prime
    And keep the prison full and not give you a fuckin' dime
    But they the real criminal, keepin' you confined
    For a petty crime, but they give you two-to-nine
    And ain't nobody there to protect ya
    Except a bunch of incompetent human rights inspectors

    [Hook:]
    Is life worth livin' if you livin' in Hell?
    When the mind is confined to a prisoner cell?
    And the lies they devise and the system, it fail
    But I expect the system to fail
    Is life worth livin' if you livin' in Hell?
    When the mind is confined to a prisoner cell?
    And the lies they devise and the system, it fail
    But I expect the system to fail

    [Outro: Interview sample, news sample]
    "The sweatshop situation kind of conveys it and kind of take advantage of
    the people that are poor and at an economic disadvantage"
    "This Chinese woman made t-shirts and pants at the factory
    until she became pregnant ... says she refused to have the abortion
    and has now been barred from entering the factory"
    "Allowing them to bring that onto US soil is a very big concern
    we've now documented the fact that management coerces female workers
    who become pregnant into having abortions"
    "Human rights workers say it's common practice"
    "Inside that factory, Chinese law applies, and Chinese law is supreme"
    "Even though it's the United States of America?"
    "The flag doesn't fly inside there"
    I have worked in this non profit organization that tries to promote fair trade, responsible consumption and tries to get rid of stuff mentioned in lyrics(among other things). So i can honestly say that the lrics represent the reality better than the idea of 7 billion people benefiting from this. And yes supporting factories that do it like this(and majority does things more or less unethically in many cheap work force countries) and give few cents to workers does give a piece of bread to the workers now and then, but supporting factories that do things ethically will lead them to growth and allowing them to hire more people who then get treated better. Some brands like puma for example does things bit better than some others as they let our unofficial inspectors to one of their factory, but i dont remember if it was nike or adidas that didnt let them in(when they had some campaign about shoes made in some cheap asian country).
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    Consumerism doesn't bother me at all. It's how the modern world is, the modern world requires it, and that's not going to change.

    What does bother me, is when the companies producing the products behave in unethical and immoral manners, often "for the sake of a profit" and nothing more.
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