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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    So we're talking Vikings raiding monasteries, the Iraqi Republican guard, Nazi soldiers, American soldiers that rounded up Native Americans for the reservations?

    I'm kinda not seeing some of the heroism here . . .
    I always thought that acting on fear and ignorance made one a coward.
    There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    I've missed the bit where Iraq refused to put up a fight back because they were afraid of the American nuclear arsenal.
    Nuclear weapons did and do make a large-scale war highly unlikely between countries that have them. But they didn't prevent any proxy wars.
    Iraq was a war of volition. That war doesn't happen unless the US wants it to happen. That's also called aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    I've missed the bit where Iraq refused to put up a fight back because they were afraid of the American nuclear arsenal.
    Well it did stop Iraq from using chemical and biological weapons in the first Gulf War, since we threatened nuclear retailiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    Since in most democratic countries joining the military is a voluntary act, the person who chooses to do so is ultimately responsible for his or her actions. Make no mistake: If you join, you make a statement that you're willing to kill other people - if you're not, don't enlist.
    The fact that you don't decide where or when you fight doesn't relieve you of that original responsibility.
    I think the basic question question is whether there are circumstances where killing can be justified or should even be considered desireable.
    Then I greatly encourage you to start a thread asking that very question Avis, it is very valid. That is not the question in this OP however. Let me know if you do, I look forward to reading it.

    What do you think about the bravery of inaction? Is it ethical to choose to have no military support of defence in a world filled with others stockpiling their resources? (Weaponry, personnel, otherwise)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    I've missed the bit where Iraq refused to put up a fight back because they were afraid of the American nuclear arsenal.
    Nuclear weapons did and do make a large-scale war highly unlikely between countries that both have them. But they didn't prevent any proxy wars.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    That isn't real. The Cold War is over. Wake up.
    That or the Chinese are makin' their move!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamine View Post
    This ain't pretty, but it's a perspective worth noting.
    Ideology killed ~150 million this past century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    That or the Chinese are makin' their move!
    At any rate, I don't believe we can frighten people from afar. The world is too globalized. People know too much. Oh, and extremist Muslims want to die and go to heaven to get their virgins, so they just don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by incubustribute View Post
    Are our soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan heroes? Regardless of whether you believe in the justice of the United States's wars, I'd like to know if you think our soldiers are to be called heroes for fighting for their country.
    Ordinary soldiers are men in combat.
    Only a war criminal attains to the height and to the posture of a hero.
    But he is a war criminal all the same.

    A true hero is a coward.

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