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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    We would need to strengthen the military might of the UN, and use it as the primary global peace keeping force.
    That's a bad idea both practically and theoretically.

    That way, no one country can corner the market on military might and subjugate the rest of the world.
    That's going to happen anyways. Already the major powers at the end of WWII dominate the Security Council and only one permanent member is needed to veto any action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theaferist View Post
    Don't know the full history of Pearl Harbor, because I'm not American, only the main facts, so I don't think it's a good idea for me to analyze it, because my opinion may be just more than subjective. Anyway, at least I don't think, that nuclear bombs on the civil zones were equal compared to Pearl Harbor, IMHO absolutely not the best thing that they could have done for revenge. :rolleyes2:
    The only reason we dropped the bomb was that we had determined that the Japs were going to fight us to a man, woman, and child.

    And we would sustain millions of casualties trying to clear them empire.

    Thus we would rather display our military might and kill 300k people or so, than suffer multiple millions in casualties on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That's a bad idea both practically and theoretically.


    That's going to happen anyways. Already the major powers at the end of WWII dominate the Security Council and only one permanent member is needed to veto any action.
    Well then this is where we reach an impasse.

    The US has already spent most of the international good will we had over the last 8 years.

    The power we have in our military is too great for one nation to have sole control of.

    Maybe if we made the force multinational, we could end this nation's hidden addiction to the military industrial complex.

    Thus, further separating the power of the military from the greed that sustains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The fact that the service is voluntary, makes it much more heroic in my eyes.


    Soldiers are a commodity like anything else.

    Don't have enough young skill-less poor highschool grads . Offer bonuses for signing. Still don't have enough, open age limits, citizenship for foreigners, and relax criminal history screening. Still don't have enough, hire Blackwater.

    Its not patriotic altruism, its economic survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Soldiers are a commodity like anything else.

    Don't have enough young skill-less poor highschool grads . Offer bonuses for signing. Still don't have enough, open age limits, citizenship for foreigners, and relax criminal history screening. Still don't have enough, hire Blackwater.

    Its not patriotic altruism, its economic survival.
    It just sounds like I have more faith in people than you.

    Yea, the privatization of the military is startling, but as long as we control it and offer proper oversight, I'm not too worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Soldiers are a commodity like anything else.

    Don't have enough young skill-less poor highschool grads . Offer bonuses for signing. Still don't have enough, open age limits, citizenship for foreigners, and relax criminal history screening. Still don't have enough, hire Blackwater.

    Its not patriotic altruism, its economic survival.
    Yes, as General Smedley Butler summarised: "War is a racket."

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Yea, the privatization of the military is startling, but as long as we control it and offer proper oversight, I'm not too worried.
    You're not worried about the military becoming more a special caste seperate from the people it's supposed to be defending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Aren't heroes people who do something GOOD?

    If they are involved the Perpetuation of Pure Evil, lead by The Obamanation, how can they be considered heroes?
    I hope this is a joke.

    In any event, what's good or evil is purely up to subjective interpretation. The question was, "Is going to war for one's country inherently virtuous regardless of the perceived morality or immorality of the cause for which he is fighting?"

    It's a tough issue because we can't necessarily declare all warfare to be heroic, but we're in a tough spot if we disagree with the war itself because soldiers are stuck with conflicting values to deal with. If you've voluntarily joined the military, but then a war starts with which you morally disagree, are you justified in not fighting it?

    To declare such soldiers automatically evil simply because you disagree with the cause they've been ordered to fight for (after having sworn an oath to follow orders unconditionally) is to grossly miss the point of this entire ethical discussion.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    if obama is guilty of any evil, it's that of being utterly boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I hope this is a joke.
    what's good or evil is purely up to subjective interpretation.
    Time to go back to your cell, Mr. Manson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Time to go back to your cell, Mr. Manson.
    Time to turn off your rampaging Fi for a moment, Mr. Self-Righteous.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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