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    Well the issue of the Bush doctrine tends to involve more the relationship of politics/geopolitics and warfare; rather than the social-moral status of soldiers per se. I'll be willing to add some thoughts on that as well if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    What pablum.
    There are soldiers, in the US military, who refused to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan because they know these to be profoundly evil, unjustifiable wars of aggression. These people are heroes. One of them:

    US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war'

    I certainly have sympathy for the Warbots you describe, but "just following orders" is no excuse.
    Fecal, thank you for that article...great example!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruthie View Post

    Maybe we should bring back the draft. Let the burden fall equally on all classes, and let members of Congress think twice before possibly committing their own kids to wars.
    As much as I appreciate your sentiment to bring equality to the classes, I cannot agree with bringing back the draft. The draft is just wrong.

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    The draft! How did I forget about that...

    There's another interesting aspect of this discussion: whichever position you took on my original question, would it change if the draft were in place? If so, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    What pablum.
    There are soldiers, in the US military, who refused to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan because they know these to be profoundly evil, unjustifiable wars of aggression. These people are heroes. One of them:

    US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war'

    I certainly have sympathy for the Warbots you describe, but "just following orders" is no excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post

    If they are involved the Perpetuation of Pure Evil, lead by The Obamanation, how can they be considered heroes?
    I can't even take you seriously anymore. I mean, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    Interesting. Even in defense and counter-attack?
    Yes. IMHO a hero would be somebody, who could find a solution without using military power. I don't think that war is a solution, it's a hate not harmony, which is caused by war. And innocent people suffer, why do we need it? There's so much aggression and anger around us, why can't we avoid it?


    p.s. Sometimes I'm having an idea, that we should just make a TV show with a battle of all those politicians of different countries (in teams or 1:1 ), so they can fight physically for all their beliefs and innocent people could just watch this funny show and wont be involved. Utopia.

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    No, a soldier isn't neccessary a hero. They volunteer for that job and they know what they are getting themselves into. The military compensates for the time they put in the military and with the new GI Bill, its worth spending 36 months for the free college.

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    no not a hero. unarmed medics in combat zones or anyone else risking their life to avoid others losing theirs deserve that distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    no not a hero. unarmed medics in combat zones or anyone else risking their life to avoid others losing theirs deserve that distinction.

    Exactly! I think a person who saves people life (doctors, firemen, policemen) is a real hero. But for me killing is still killing and I don't really care if the one who is killed is a terrorist, jew or a small child. We all have the right to live.

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