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    I dont know if this thread has been done before, has anyone seen Hotel Rwanda?

    I've been watching it this evening and its very interesting, the character of Paul the Hotel owner is interesting, his character, resilience, resolve and conviction.

    Also the sort of crisis talk and interaction interests me too, how people crisis manage and attempt to de-escalate or manage conflict were resolution is impossible. Those things interest me, its all some how truer to life and the horrors and chaos of wars and conflict than action flicks.

    Besides perhaps The Killing Fields I dont think I've seen a movie like this, I read a book about it some time ago and thought that the guy was very self-effacing and minimised his role in rescuing and saving all those people. Under stated heroism.

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    The film was superb. Don Cheadle's performance was great, and I was disappointed he didn't win an Oscar for best actor.
    To this day, I'd like to cut off Clinton's gerbil-sized balls for not lifting a finger to stop the genocide in Rwanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The film was superb. Don Cheadle's performance was great, and I was disappointed he didn't win an Oscar for best actor.
    To this day, I'd like to cut off Clinton's gerbil-sized balls for not lifting a finger to stop the genocide in Rwanda.
    Much as I agree that it was shameful that no intervention took place I dont know why it should be an American responsibility to intervene and manage conflicts or decisively resolve them when they arise like this.

    Rwanda, the Serbian genocide in Bosnia (which included also systematic rape and then imprisonment during gestation, often of girls who were barely even women yet) and to a much lesser, lesser degree what has happened in Zimbabwee are absolutely criminal.

    As is the failure to apprehend many of the key players in each conflict, I personally contrast this with the actions of the Israelis hunting the nazis or their revenge action after the Munich act of terrorism, were there is a will there is a way.

    I dont know what is the ultimate solution here, I'm a socialist, an internationalist, a libertarian, a humanist and a lot of other things which makes condoning imperialism or colonialism or many of the central european and pan european intervention and history in Africa unconscienable BUT relinquishing control has resulted in allowing older ethnic conflicts which we never taken seriously to rise up and kill many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Much as I agree that it was shameful that no intervention took place I dont know why it should be an American responsibility to intervene and manage conflicts or decisively resolve them when they arise like this.

    Thankfully, you are in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Thankfully, you are in Ireland.
    What do you mean? That I could care less about what happens elsewhere?

    I do care a great deal but the US cant be an "evil empire" or "imperialist" and great guy world cop at the same time, there's a lot of contradiction in the world's views of the US, especially European views, its unhealthy because there's a lot which is worse than the US.

    Similarly the paradigm for world geo-politics right up until Obama took over was that anyone and everyone were welcome to develop their health and social services, circulate their money keynes style that way, but not through military spending and aggressive foreign policies. Now that appears to be changing and apart from the vocal right wing minority (presently anyway, maybe they'll be a majority come election time I dont know) things are changing.

    Who is going to be world cop instead? Should US citizens be expected to forgo any alt. development because of military spending commitments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What do you mean? That I could care less about what happens elsewhere?
    Attention, K-Mart shoppers. I can tell by your comments you know nothing about what happened in 1994.
    I'm not going to teach someone in Ireland about U.S. politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Attention, K-Mart shoppers. I can tell by your comments you know nothing about what happened in 1994.
    I'm not going to teach someone in Ireland about U.S. politics.
    So you're just going to make fun of me instead?

    Kind of defeats the purpose of posting surely? Well, have a nice day anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    So you're just going to make fun of me instead?
    Your lack of knowledge is no laughing matter.
    Let's just drop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I do care a great deal but the US cant be an "evil empire" or "imperialist" and great guy world cop at the same time, there's a lot of contradiction in the world's views of the US, especially European views, its unhealthy because there's a lot which is worse than the US.
    The US has been each of those for a long time. Or to put it another way, the good guy world cop also has a shadow side. Human nature is contradictory, and you can't separate it from global politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Your lack of knowledge is no laughing matter.
    Let's just drop it.
    Whose laughing, this is a further derogatory and personal comment directed towards me, I'm hoping that you'll add something to the thread but it doesnt seem like you're going to. That's OK. If I dont have knowledge and you have why dont you share and I'll be wiser than I was before I began the thread? I'm happy to listen and maybe you're not used to that but I'm on the level. Cheers.

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