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    Default Global Warming Revisited... because a good scientist will listen to anything once

    "The debate on global warming is over."

    Remember when Newton and his contemporaries "knew" light was a particle? Remember when Young and friends "knew" light was a wave? One must never ever say the debate is over.

    Indeed, many of the voices we've heard against the existence of a global warming crisis have not been from scientists (most recently, Sarah Palin). Their motivation is often political or economic, and the reasons they give generally suck. There are, however, good scientists that have good research using real data (and not computer models based on... who knows?) that have found that the recent temperatures that have been rising at the fastest rate in 150 years, lose that status when viewed alongside temperature fluxuation rates in the last 150,000 years, or even in the last 1,500 years.

    I couldn't care less whether you agree or disagree. I just ask that you understand the arguments against the notion of a climate change crisis, and consider the studies behind those arguments objectively.

    So, what are these arguments? No friggin' way am I typing all that up! I'm going to let a far more qualilfied dude do the work.

    Behold: YouTube - Updated with Slides - Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul
    The lecture is long (over an hour), and yes, he gets on a soap box now and then, but the information is abundant and presented very well.

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    Could you please present the scientific evidence directly. Christopher Monckton is a conservative commentator with NO TRAINING IN SCIENCE whatsoever. Before reopening the debate, perhaps you could check on the sources he uses and present the evidence directly. If you find his argument compelling, that's your prerogative. He is, however, no scientist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    Could you please present the scientific evidence directly. Christopher Monckton is a conservative commentator with NO TRAINING IN SCIENCE whatsoever. Before reopening the debate, perhaps you could check on the sources he uses and present the evidence directly. If you find his argument compelling, that's your prerogative. He is, however, no scientist.
    He mentions the sources he gets his data from in the lecture. Most of them look pretty legit, NASA etc.
    Ground control to Major Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    He mentions the sources he gets his data from in the lecture. Most of them look pretty legit, NASA etc.
    Sure - let's examine them directly. Until we do - we're basing our opinions on his interpretation of the data in the original reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    Remember when Young and friends "knew" light was a wave?
    Young had a better knowledge of the fluid dynamics governing our climate than this dude.
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    sheesh humans! for realz

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    Could you please present the scientific evidence directly. Christopher Monckton is a conservative commentator with NO TRAINING IN SCIENCE whatsoever. Before reopening the debate, perhaps you could check on the sources he uses and present the evidence directly. If you find his argument compelling, that's your prerogative. He is, however, no scientist.
    Sigh... Why is Science being presented by all these non-scientist. Christopher Monckton, Al Gore...

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    are the industrial companies paying you guys money?

    if not, then WHYYYYYYY???? Don't u want to have cleaner air?

    Personally, I think its absolutely SILLY to speak for industrial companies without getting paid. Why do it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Young had a better knowledge of the fluid dynamics governing our climate than this dude.
    Have you found a problem with his arguments or the studies he uses to support them, or are you just finding an excuse to avoid the effort of considering another view?

    The subtitle of this thread is "a good scientist will listen to anything once." I'm not interested in why one should not listen. (note: listening does not imply judgement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    Could you please present the scientific evidence directly. Christopher Monckton is a conservative commentator with NO TRAINING IN SCIENCE whatsoever. Before reopening the debate, perhaps you could check on the sources he uses and present the evidence directly. If you find his argument compelling, that's your prerogative. He is, however, no scientist.
    Clearly, you did not watch the lecture. Before halting the debate, perhaps you could listen to it and present a criticism that is not based on faulty assumptions and requires more than 2 seconds of thought.

    You are incorrect in saying that he has no science training. The guy is a published author of scientific journal articles. In one article, he used the Stefan-Boltzman equation to predict the maximum change in temperature in response to complete erradiation of the atmosphere (and was supported in a recent study using satellite data). These things demonstrate a substantial scientific background. Science and research journals are not like regular magazines. Submitted articles are reviewed by a pannel of scientists and must meet the scientific standards of the particular journal in order to be published.

    Now, I have access to the journals (provided they're available. Many of the studies he referenced are extremely recent... which I like). I can present them after my batch of exams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    I couldn't care less whether you agree or disagree. I just ask that you understand the arguments against the notion of a climate change crisis, and consider the studies behind those arguments objectively.
    Since you obviously have a political agenda, and since you admit here you are not objective at all, why should we hear you while don't want to hear us?

    Why should it be one way only?

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