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    Default Age of the world's greatest civilisations

    Sir Alex Fraser Tyler(1742-1813), a Scottish historian and jurist had said:
    The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, and from dependency back again into bondage.
    So if this is true...

    From bondage to spiritual faith
    from spiritual faith to great courage
    from courage to liberty
    from liberty to abundance
    from abundance to selfishness
    from selfishness to complacency
    from complaceny to apathy
    HERE
    from apathy to dependence
    from dependency back again into bondage.

    America as one of the greatest civilisation on earth would be at apathy. Am I correct?

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    No I think we are more at selfishness/abundance than anything else. Too many movements to enforce change are on the rise to categorize as us "apathetic."

    Perhaps we are in the process of taking a step back from selfishness towards abundance. I'd like to say that we will start using our abundance more and more to figure out solutions, but who knows...

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    ^ America's gone way past the abundance stage. It seems to currently be or have gone past complacency.

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    These terms are too vague for me to categorize such a complex entity. Apathetic in terms of what? Complacent in terms of what? Without specific contexts, this amounts to nothing more than sweeping generalization.
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    I think it's fairly straightforward. Each one is an adjective that describes the state a civilisation is at at that moment. Example: The abundance stage is when a country (civilisation) is doing the best with it's gains and is very wealthy.

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    :roli: I understand the reasoning, but you haven't made me care about it. I'll believe you when we actually get socialized health care.
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    I thought the Sumerian civilization was the greatest on earth.

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    200 years is rather short time span for a civilization. Spengler was closer in saying a few thousand years, and Toynbee was closest in saying there's no real set time limit to a civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    I thought the Sumerian civilization was the greatest on earth.
    I said one of the greatest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    200 years is rather short time span for a civilization. Spengler was closer in saying a few thousand years, and Toynbee was closest in saying there's no real set time limit to a civilization.
    Actually I personally think that 200 years is quite a reasonable lifespan for a civilisation. For one, I do not think we are in the same civilisation as we were 200 years ago. Also the stages would very likely move quickly rather than in the period of over 1000 years.

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