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    People have their own prejudices and could rightly or wrongly guess your class, it could be different to what has been your origins but at the same time you may not be the class you originally were today.

    I couldnt make an exhaustive list of social class indicators and they could all be appearence or behaviour but it could have a lot to do with it. Accents, dialects, mannerisms and responses would be a big part of it, however, those things are also indicators of emotional competence, social competence, multiple intelligences and personality typology too so it begins to get a bit complicated at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    People have their own prejudices and could rightly or wrongly guess your class, it could be different to what has been your origins but at the same time you may not be the class you originally were today.

    I couldnt make an exhaustive list of social class indicators and they could all be appearence or behaviour but it could have a lot to do with it. Accents, dialects, mannerisms and responses would be a big part of it, however, those things are also indicators of emotional competence, social competence, multiple intelligences and personality typology too so it begins to get a bit complicated at that point.
    Read Talmud.

    Class is about esteem.
    Esteem is about the other.
    Drop out.

    Be a Mensch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    There is another factor.

    How old is the money?
    Yes, here in the UK, that's the most important factor. Class and economic stratification aren't synonymous here, they're just correlated. The multi-millionaire Gallagher brothers are still not middle or upper class, because of where they came from and the working class culture they still identify with. Their children or grandchildren may become middle class if they get professional careers and grow up identifying with British middle class culture (which is not defined by financial security and amount of expendable income) but their descendents can't be upper class, no matter how rich they get or how they live, unless the Crown bestows upon their ancestors a hereditary honour (extremely rarely granted to anyone now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Read Talmud.

    Class is about esteem.
    Esteem is about the other.
    Drop out.

    Be a Mensch.
    I might read the Talmud, do you mean the prophets? It is the old testament right? Sorry, I'm an RC.

    I'm very interested in this other and processes of othering, I think it is were all oppression originates or is perpetuated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Read Talmud.

    Class is about esteem.
    Esteem is about the other.
    Drop out.

    Be a Mensch.
    Correct and insightful as always, wildcat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I might read the Talmud, do you mean the prophets? It is the old testament right? Sorry, I'm an RC.
    It's interesting that a fellow can quote "military Keynesianism" in one post and be oblivious to to the Talmud's heritage... which is not part of the old testament (sic). Right?

    Whether you're an "RC" is neither here nor there.
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    Social stratification is useful for selling people an idea or a product. Once they have bought into the idea of an identity they will stop at almost nothing to reinforce their perception. Whatever class we have been boxed into we are each able to make the best of ourselves within those limits and if we choose, transcend them. Though we may have to remain content that our actions were the best we could do rather than rely on acknowledgement of that from others.

    Class is artificial in the worst sense: valuing what you inherit or own over what you actually produce or how you conduct yourself. Class is the ultimate trap when we relax into it at the expense of that person we could have been had we just been the very best we could irregardless of societal perceptions. But if those who were deserving got what they earned this world just would'nt be as interesting, would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    There is another factor.

    How old is the money?
    That's probably the most distinctive factor in the United States' class system. Being old money means that even if you don't currently have access to funding, you'll never be outside of that network if you aren't a fuck-up. Plenty of old money hardly report any income in a given year, simply because they have a large wealth reserve, if they have stock they recapitalize it, and they really don't have to spend that much, since they have friends who take care of them.

    The nouveau riche only get to taste that world, and pay heavily for it. Their kids usually are in the gates, though, and if the money persists, their grandchildren almost guaranteed.

    And yes, social class is very important in the United States; contrary to national myth, it's about as determinative of life outcomes as any other factor in this country. You have the same potential values and approaches to life as that which you've been exposed to. Social class places strong limits around those. Needless to say, many of us here will not relate to that, since inquiry into personality suggests a level of education beyond that which the average American comes into contact with.

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    It's all about mutli-generational wealth, living off the interest, and owning (land) not renting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    That's probably the most distinctive factor in the United States' class system. Being old money means that even if you don't currently have access to funding, you'll never be outside of that network if you aren't a fuck-up. Plenty of old money hardly report any income in a given year, simply because they have a large wealth reserve, if they have stock they recapitalize it, and they really don't have to spend that much, since they have friends who take care of them.

    The nouveau riche only get to taste that world, and pay heavily for it. Their kids usually are in the gates, though, and if the money persists, their grandchildren almost guaranteed.

    And yes, social class is very important in the United States; contrary to national myth, it's about as determinative of life outcomes as any other factor in this country. You have the same potential values and approaches to life as that which you've been exposed to. Social class places strong limits around those. Needless to say, many of us here will not relate to that, since inquiry into personality suggests a level of education beyond that which the average American comes into contact with.
    So true.
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