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    I tend to think that Weber was correct that peope only behave as social classes during crisis and hardship but that the rest of the time they behave more as status groups, which can be culturally specific, so for instance in a racially conscious society that status criteria will be more important than social class in the making and breaking of relationships, marriages, even business deals etc.

    However that's strict observation rather than evaluation, I've got to confess to some sympathy with Orwell's version or vision rather of a classless society but at once I think that some conservative arguments about class having at a time constituted a social, organic and mitigating factor between state and individual or community is interesting. One endorsing classlessness, the other endorsing class but both for compelling reasons.

    I just had to think about it recently after seeing conservative propaganda t-shirts which read "the left has no class", I thought, why yes, yes it doesnt but I understood at the same time this being divested of class was being stated in a prejorative sense and I reflected that class can be considered a good thing to have too. It was clever, in the way that Saatchi and Saatchi's "Labour Isnt Working" campaign posters for the Conservatives before 1979 were clever.

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    I don't truly believe in class, I see an excessive amount of outliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiddykat View Post
    I view social class from a conflict theorist perspective in that creating 'social class' stratas allows for the oppression of those from the lower class instilled by the upper-class as a way to maintain status quo.

    Let's throttle the upper class, they are evil "oppressors."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Let's throttle the upper class, they are evil "oppressors."
    Actually conflict theory as I understand it doesnt simply suggest antagonism between upper classes and masses, it has at least as much to say about conflict betwen everyone and underclasses or outsiders.

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    Peer pressure keeps the down trodden, down trodden... lack of expectations....

    I'm not saying higher groups don't get many more privilages etc, but in the main the biggest issue is cross social comparision.

    I went to a minimum effort high school, where there was serious pressure to under perform and do the minimum


    As for the evil over lords... hell I'm aspiring to be a fat kitty

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    I had a similar experience tinkerbell, both the expectations of the student body and the teachers, I think that honestly the underclass poses a far greater problem in their habits than the evil overlords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I had a similar experience tinkerbell, both the expectations of the student body and the teachers, I think that honestly the underclass poses a far greater problem in their habits than the evil overlords.

    Eaxtly.. its the whole not for someone like me thing...

    Freinds reunited for my school is interesting, I was one of a huge year, and although many did not reach anything like their potential at school, many went on to have a real life or do amazing thing.

    A huge chunk went to sillicone valley, one lass opened a school in Africa and was a singer in Oz, so many started their own businesses... some really impressive things given the social culture of our school

    For me, it held me back although it turned out OK in the end

    Many of the kids came from real poverty and struggled and aspired to child care and hair dressing. Many of them had good brains, and were not dim my any streach - just didn't get the encoruagment to really reach for their stars.

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    I have a vague recollection two authors have circled the issue in some of their writings.
    George Orwell in Britain, and Philip Roth in America.
    A perspective to the past, and to the future.

    Some of us know the Animal Farm and 1984.

    Roth wrote a short story titled Good Bye, Columbus.
    It is about a poor boy who meets a rich girl.
    The boy is a college graduate. He works in a library. One day the boy is invited to dinner.
    The father is a self made man. He does not eat like a bird.
    He wants to know where the boy works. The boy says: In the library.
    The father dismisses him as a loser.
    The mother wants to know to which Jewish sect the boy belongs to. It is a wrong sect.

    In the end it is all about condoms, or other birth control device.
    You should not leave such things in a drawer.
    The mothers are such busybodies. They tend to look everywhere.
    Such is their nature.
    In the end of the Roth story, the girl has to choose between the boy and the family.
    She chooses the family.

    There are many stories like that.
    Grace Kelly found a poor boy in New York. His father was a rich self made man.
    They lived in a big house. One day the boy was invited to dinner.
    Of course her mother found the condoms in his suitcase.
    Grace had to choose between the family and the boy. She chose the family.

    In the end it always is about the condoms. Or other birth control device.

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    Sounds like none of you ignorant proles have read this book

    Class: A Guide Through the American Status System:Amazon:Books
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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    In the U.S., I think class is defined by personality or celebrity. We hold Celebs at an elevated level, sometimes for doing absolutely nothing. Why is Kim Kardasian famous?
    Originally, because of her prominent father.
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