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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Nope. Southern whites drive the region's politics (and generally don't complain about the problems endemic to their class), so you're wrong there. Working-class social conservatives usually vote with the economic liberals, so you're wrong there. Hispanic immigrants don't take too kindly to the nativism on the right after a little while, so you're wrong there too.
    1) Poor Southern whites are marginalized quite a bit in society, and they will often go for the right-wing candidate. "Marginalized" does not mean "people who do not vote in large numbers."

    2) Working-class social conservatives do NOT always vote with the "economic liberals." Ever heard of "Reagan Democrats?"

    3) Hispanic immigrants don't take kindly to people like Tom Tancredo, but they also don't take kindly to things like gay marriage, either. They were instrumental in defeating Prop 8 out here in Cali. You know, that ballot proposition that would have been LEFTWARD SOCIAL CHANGE?


    Does it suck to be so wrong so often?
    You tell me.



    Look at the rhetoric. O'Reilly had been calling for his head for years. That guy wouldn't even know who Tiller was if there were no right-wing movement. Most of the Bush "death-threats" were made by foreign protesters, and in this country, anarchist extremists.
    Bill O'Reilly, the Catholic who is firmly against the death penalty, "called for George Tiller's head for years?" That's a really major smear. Don't do that.

    And I was in college for the majority of the time Dubya was POTUS. I've heard PLENTY of left-wingers hope he died in some manner.


    You make yourself look more foolish each time you respond before reading the book, and understanding the precise definition of Social Dominance Orientation.
    OK, I just read the precise definition, and it's still a load of crap. It's nonsense. It's not worth the ones and zeroes it took to put it online.


    Fine, I try making a point, and you're too dense to get it.

    The assholes who institute most of these policies are the same authoritarian jerks who dominate Southern politics! That's why conservatism isn't Barry Goldwater's anymore! We're supposed to be better than the days of chattel slavery and no voting for women. We're also supposed to be better than oppressing someone who looks funny. That you can't even see that big picture is truly astonishing.
    It's not that I don't see the big picture. It's that you see the speck in the right-wing eye, but you don't remove the beam in your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post




    Bill O'Reilly, the Catholic who is firmly against the death penalty, "called for George Tiller's head for years?" That's a really major smear. Don't do that.

    .

    I will smear Bill O'Reilly all day every day if I so choose. The man is obnoxious. In case you haven't noticed, there are entire web sites devoted to hatred of Bill O'Reilly. I support OneMoreTime's smear of this asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I will smear Bill O'Reilly all day every day if I so choose. The man is obnoxious. In case you haven't noticed, there are entire web sites devoted to hatred of Bill O'Reilly. I support OneMoreTime's smear of this asshole.

    [YOUTUBE="2tJjNVVwRCY"]Bill O'Reilly Freaks Out[/YOUTUBE]

    Do you know what a smear is? It is outrageous to criticize a man for "calling for the head" of an abortion doctor when he has never advocated violence against them, and wouldn't even support executing them if what they did were to be considered murder by the law. I don't like the guy, either, but that kind of tactic is for scumbags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Another thing, too, is that people were much more controlled by religion fifty years ago.

    There are a multitude of factors as to why these things are happening. It's not as simple as "people need to cowboy up."
    Youíre right, it is a simplification. However, taking that mentality allows a person to start moving their lives in a positive direction. From what I know, these killers lack locus of control.I look at my grandparents and how hard they had it, as many in their generations did, they did not have the luxury to lament the injustices they experienced. Their basic mentality has been, well whatís done is done it is time to move on.

    I would like to hear your thoughts linking industrialization and competition to rampage killings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    You know what the difference is? Repeating weapons. You can't mass murder when you can only fire 3 rounds a minute, since someone will restrain you by that point.
    Wrong, Tommy guns and I think the first semi-automatic hand gun in wide spread use was the colt 1911 A1.


    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    WTF? The '60s were about the complete opposite - that you don't have to be a victim anymore, and if your rights are being denied to you, that you should speak up and do something about it.
    For some, the do something about it concept has been lost along the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubiquitous1 View Post
    Youíre right, it is a simplification. However, taking that mentality allows a person to start moving their lives in a positive direction. From what I know, these killers lack locus of control.I look at my grandparents and how hard they had it, as many in their generations did, they did not have the luxury to lament the injustices they experienced. Their basic mentality has been, well whatís done is done it is time to move on.

    I would like to hear your thoughts linking industrialization and competition to rampage killings.
    I dont know what MS' links would be but I'd go with the standard conservative and socialist criticisms of how those trends have erroded social consciene, social consciousness, anomie, alienation, estrangement and finally more modern social psychological critiques to do with avaratiousness (it is a form of symbolic competition or the competitive pursuit of signs).

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    Just on the point of the sixties whether it was a time for shaking of apathy or not (some would suggest that the sixties challenged apathy, the eighties embraced it), pro-activity or not it was very clearly a time of grievance, grievance amidst relative prosperity (which made it possible in the first place, no one tilling the soil for subsistence has any time to protest).

    That in itself sets up a series of expectations and relationships, if you are in a position of grievance you are automatically dependent, the other must be pursued for satisfaction some how, a wrong must be righted and a just retification must follow. That can be a very disempowering thing, to become dependent, other directed, it can result in fatalism, despair, pessimism and eventually a resignation of personal responsibilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubiquitous1 View Post
    Wrong, Tommy guns and I think the first semi-automatic hand gun in wide spread use was the colt 1911 A1.
    Both of which were incredibly expensive and out of the range of the average consumer until after WWII.

    For some, the do something about it concept has been lost along the way
    For others, the "doing something about it" is called whining. It's all a matter of perspective.

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