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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post

    If anything, the victim mentality comes from right-wing authoritarians who believe that the entire world is a dangerous place...
    It is. Unless you have perfected the ability to read minds, or control individuals with your thoughts. You can't control the people around you. And there are plenty of unstable people in the world.




    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    ... everyone is out to get them, and that if they don't follow everything their leaders tell them to, even violently, that their whole world will collapse around them.
    That is just stupidity. And fear of, or lack of, the ability to think for themselves.

    The world is full of people who would like nothing better than to not have to think. And to have someone tell them what to do 24/7, 365.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Psychosis, mostly. People with pre-existing mental illness pushed over the edge by a staunchly competitive and overly industrialized world. Something that has also changed since the 1960's is the feeling of community people once had in their towns - people have become more and more isolated and cut off from each other in the past several decades.
    Yes, our transient society probably is also a contributing factor. Although, the Va tech shooter was very close to his family.... Did you ever see the video tape he made?

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    WTF? The '60s were about the complete opposite - that you don't have to be a victim anymore, and if your rights are being denied to you, that you should speak up and do something about it.

    If anything, the victim mentality comes from right-wing authoritarians who believe that the entire world is a dangerous place, everyone is out to get them, and that if they don't follow everything their leaders tell them to, even violently, that their whole world will collapse around them.
    Okay, whatever. Read the suicide notes and draw your own conclusions.

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    Another thing, too, is that people were much more controlled by religion fifty years ago.

    There are a multitude of factors as to why these things are happening. It's not as simple as "people need to cowboy up."

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    You know what the difference is? Repeating weapons. You can't mass murder when you can only fire 3 rounds a minute, since someone will restrain you by that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    WTF? The '60s were about the complete opposite - that you don't have to be a victim anymore, and if your rights are being denied to you, that you should speak up and do something about it.

    If anything, the victim mentality comes from right-wing authoritarians who believe that the entire world is a dangerous place, everyone is out to get them, and that if they don't follow everything their leaders tell them to, even violently, that their whole world will collapse around them.
    Fuh fuh fuh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biaxident View Post
    It is. Unless you have perfected the ability to read minds, or control individuals with your thoughts. You can't control the people around you. And there are plenty of unstable people in the world.
    Ya, and I think there's a key distinction to be made here - those who see the world as a place which does have dangers a person should pay heed to (such as yourself), and those who see it as an inherently dangerous place which needs to be constantly feared and potential threats attacked(such as those referred to in the article).

    That is just stupidity. And fear of, or lack of, the ability to think for themselves.

    The world is full of people who would like nothing better than to not have to think. And to have someone tell them what to do 24/7, 365.
    Yup. Makes them feel secure, like they're a child with their parents again.

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    Why do Japan and South Korea have people who go on shooting rampages when they have FAR less gun violence on a regular basis than the United States does?
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Why do Japan and South Korea have people who go on shooting rampages when they have FAR less gun violence on a regular basis than the United States does?
    Too much pressure to perform and conform within the society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Why do Japan and South Korea have people who go on shooting rampages when they have FAR less gun violence on a regular basis than the United States does?
    Whole lotta people. Very small space. Gets to a person.

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    OK, what’s this book about? It’s about what happened to the American government after "conservatives" gained control of Congress in the 1990s and the White House in 2000. It’s about the disastrous decisions that government made, which have created the enormous problems we face now. It’s about the corruption that rotted the Congress. It’s about how traditional conservatism has nearly been destroyed by authoritarianism. It’s about how the “Religious Right” teamed up with amoral authoritarian leaders to push its un-democratic agenda onto the country.

    “Well,” you might be thinking, “I don’t believe any of this is true.” Or maybe you’re thinking, “What else is new? I’ve known this all along.” Why should a conservative, moderate, or liberal bother with this book? Why should any Republican, Independent, or Democrat click the “Introduction” link on this page?

    Because if you do, you’ll begin an easy-ride journey through some relevant scientific studies I have done on authoritarian personalities--one that will take you a heck of a lot less time than the decades it took me. Those studies have a direct bearing on all the topics mentioned above. So if you think the first paragraph is a lot of hokum, or full of half-truths, I invite you to look at the research.

    For example, take the following statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within.” Sounds like something Hitler would say, right? Want to guess how many politicians, how many lawmakers in the United States agreed with it? Want to guess what they had in common?

    Or how about a government program that persecutes political parties, or minorities, or journalists the authorities do not like, by putting them in jail, even torturing and killing them. Nobody would approve of that, right? Guess again.

    Don’t think for a minute this doesn’t concern you personally. Let me ask you, as we’re passing the time here, how many ordinary people do you think an evil authority would have to order to kill you before he found someone who would, unjustly, out of sheer obedience, just because the authority said to? What sort of person is most likely to follow such an order? What kind of official is most likely to give that order, if it suited his purposes? Look at what experiments tell us, as I did.

    If, on the other hand, you’re way ahead of me, and believe the extreme right-wing elements in America are still working to take over the country despite the recent election--nay because of it--I think you can still get a lot from this book. The authoritarians aren’t going away.

    The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank-and-file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?

    I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here.
    onemoretime, are you fucking serious? This is pretty much the exact kind of paranoia you're accusing right-wingers of exhibiting; only it involves evil "Religious Right fascists" instead of screams about Hiliary Clinton wanting to take over the world.

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