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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I like the Bill of Rights, especially the fact that it was written by anti-federalists to protect "individual rights" from the corrupt governments and tyranny of the majority.
    Now, now, that's a bit overreaching in the light of our post-Fourteenth Amendment understanding of the Constitution. Anti-Federalists loved corrupt, repressive governments - as long as they were the governors on the state level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I like the Second Amendment, particularly the "well-regulated" part. Especially in its Eighteenth-Century context.
    So, you want every able-bodied adult white male to own a gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    So, you want every able-bodied adult white male to own a gun?
    Doesn't say anything about a requirement to own. Just says, in modern language, that because it's necessary to have a group of able-bodied, armed men ready to defend the country, those men may be restricted in their weapons, but their ultimate right to keep and use those weapons may not be eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Doesn't say anything about a requirement to own. Just says, in modern language, that because it's necessary to have a group of able-bodied, armed men ready to defend the country, those men may be restricted in their weapons, but their ultimate right to keep and use those weapons may not be eliminated.
    Yeah, that's why I like having them, even though I'm not required.

    And I'm "well regulated" too. Expert ranking by the USMC standards.
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    An interesting part of this is that early drafts of the amendment would have made national conscription unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Doesn't say anything about a requirement to own. Just says, in modern language, that because it's necessary to have a group of able-bodied, armed men ready to defend the country, those men may be restricted in their weapons, but their ultimate right to keep and use those weapons may not be eliminated.
    Where does it say they may be restricted in their weapons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    An interesting part of this is that early drafts of the amendment would have made national conscription unconstitutional.
    As it should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Where does it say they may be restricted in their weapons?
    "Well-regulated"

    Another interpretation I've been looking at which seems to make a lot of sense is that the phrase "keep and bear arms" in its contemporary context didn't mean gun ownership as much as it meant "have an army". What this means is that the US Army would be owned by the people, much like the British Army is, and not drawn up by a centralized force, like the Royal Navy is (which exists at the pleasure of the Monarch). Given the relatively recent memory of the English Civil War, and the surrounding context of the Third Amendment and the establishment of the President as Commander-in-Chief, the interpretation would be:

    Since it's necessary for able-bodied males to be in fighting shape and under local control to prevent incursions on their collective freedom, the right of the People to their own army shall not be infringed.

    Really makes sense in the historical context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    "Well-regulated"

    Another interpretation I've been looking at which seems to make a lot of sense is that the phrase "keep and bear arms" in its contemporary context didn't mean gun ownership as much as it meant "have an army". What this means is that the US Army would be owned by the people, much like the British Army is, and not drawn up by a centralized force, like the Royal Navy is (which exists at the pleasure of the Monarch). Given the relatively recent memory of the English Civil War, and the surrounding context of the Third Amendment and the establishment of the President as Commander-in-Chief, the interpretation would be:

    Since it's necessary for able-bodied males to be in fighting shape and under local control to prevent incursions on their collective freedom, the right of the People to their own army shall not be infringed.

    Really makes sense in the historical context.
    No, it doesn't.

    Bill of Rights has an Amendment that says that the government has a right to an Army? That makes no sense.

    Bill of Rights is not about "collective freedoms". WTF is a "collective freedom", anyway? That's commie talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    "Well-regulated"

    Another interpretation I've been looking at which seems to make a lot of sense is that the phrase "keep and bear arms" in its contemporary context didn't mean gun ownership as much as it meant "have an army". What this means is that the US Army would be owned by the people, much like the British Army is, and not drawn up by a centralized force, like the Royal Navy is (which exists at the pleasure of the Monarch). Given the relatively recent memory of the English Civil War, and the surrounding context of the Third Amendment and the establishment of the President as Commander-in-Chief, the interpretation would be:

    Since it's necessary for able-bodied males to be in fighting shape and under local control to prevent incursions on their collective freedom, the right of the People to their own army shall not be infringed.

    Really makes sense in the historical context.
    That is an incredibly tortured interpretation, especially given the GIGANTIC difference between "militia" and "army," even in the 18tb Century. Many of the Founding Fathers were dead-set against a standing army in the United States, "owned by the people" or not. Maybe you should be taking a look at what "well-regulated" meant in the historical context, because what you are proposing is outlandish.
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