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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post

    Mostly, I despise the ability to randomly attack innocent people in public settings. Hand guns make this all too convenient.
    Mostly, I despise the ability of those bigger than me (or those in bigger numbers) to randomly attack me in public settings. Lack of a hand gun makes this all too convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    No more of an increase than the availability of a knife, a blunt object, or a nearby flight of stairs, or of your big enough, your own hands. I don't know what's worse, someone discharging a 9mm in my direction or someone like Mike Tyson punching me in the head (I might have time to react when someone's reaching for a gun).

    All these arguments of "let's take away sharp objects from people so they don't hurt each other" is overly paternalistic at best, but usually just tyrannical and oppressive style of government, i.e. "We know what's better for you than you do yourself".

    The "War on Drugs" falls under the same category.
    I agree about the war on drugs. However, I think the gun issue is seperate.

    Mostly, I despise the ability of those bigger than me (or those in bigger numbers) to randomly attack me in public settings. Lack of a hand gun makes this all too convenient.
    I can see your point here, especially being female, but it seems like more people are getting randomly attacked by guns in public settings than by knives or blunt, heavy objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I agree about the war on drugs. However, I think the gun issue is seperate.
    Same arguments, just different items.

    Drugs availability increase chances of a person hurting themselves, and those around them, etc..

    I can see your point here, especially being female, but it seems like more people are getting randomly attacked by guns in public settings than by knives or blunt, heavy objects.
    You are more concerned about unjustifiable offensive actions, while I am more concerned about justifiable protective actions.

    As I see it, unjustifiable offensive actions can happen easily without guns, while the effectiveness of justifiable protective actions increase significantly with a presence of a gun.

    Also, not sure where you get your "seems like more people are getting randomly attacked by guns in public settings than by knives or blunt, heavy objects" stats from. I guarantee you, there are a lot more people getting hurt from knives, blunt objects, and fists, simply because those are cheaper, unlicensed, and readily available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Same arguments, just different items.

    Drugs availability increase chances of a person hurting themselves, and those around them, etc..



    You are more concerned about unjustifiable offensive actions, while I am more concerned about justifiable protective actions.

    As I see it, unjustifiable offense actions can happen easily without guns, while justifiable protective actions increase significantly with a presence of a gun.

    I would certainly be willing to accept your argument if you can show me actual numbers that prove that guns are protecting people more than they are allowing unjustifiable actions to occur more easily and/or in larger numbers of unjustifiable death and injury.

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    stampedes in a blunderbuss fashion

    sure
    thing is in the UK we dont have us shooting folk willy nilly and calling it a statistic

    do we know
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I would certainly be willing to accept your argument if you can show me actual numbers that prove that guns are protecting people more than they are allowing unjustifiable actions to occur more easily and/or in larger numbers of unjustifiable death and injury.
    Well, for one, cities with strict gun control have a lot more crimes. D.C. is a good example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Well, for one, cities with strict gun control have a lot more crimes. D.C. is a good example.
    But what about entire countries where there is strict gun control? England? Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    But what about entire countries where there is strict gun control? England? Canada?
    What about entire countries where there is loose gun control and low murder rate? Switzerland? Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    What about entire countries where there is loose gun control and low murder rate? Switzerland? Israel?
    Ok - then what is the problem here in the U.S.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Ok - then what is the problem here in the U.S.?
    see this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Well, for one, cities with strict gun control have a lot more crimes. D.C. is a good example.
    Also, I would prefer to rely on myself for protection, whenever reasonable.
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