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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Personally I think the gun control laws are fine in the UK. Its an island so it can be regulated fairly easily and is. There aren't any roaming bands of tigers likely to eat UK denzines, so what purpose would it serve to flood the country with firearms?

    I probably fall into the catagory of most UK citizens, I've seen guns (at a distance) at airports being carried by the police, but I've never held, heard/saw one be fired or fired one myself.

    Its reassuring to know that someone getting shot anywhere in the UK has a high chance of being front page news due to the unusualness of the event.
    Yep. Gun control works here very well, gun-related violence is nice and low and I'd like to keep it that way. The US has very different geography and culture, so control might not be nearly as practical as it is here. Hence why UK and US gun control are two very separate issues.

    UK knife crime on the other hand... (Having seen London gang footage, I'm surprised they don't call it sword crime.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Guns also kill countless people in the United States every year.


    Number of homicides (2002):

    US: 10881 (275 millions inhabitants)
    UE: 1260 (376 millions inhabitants)

    % of homicides with firearms (2000):

    US: 65%
    UK: 8%
    Guns are also used in self-defense in the United States about 2.5 million times per year. I prefer the option of owning a gun, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well you're French, so what's your excuse?
    Excuse me, but unlike many Americans here, I did not dare to vehemently explain to my British neighbours what they should rather do with gun control, and why their laws are stupid and totalitarian.

    I made no proselytizing.

    Something weird is really going on with our dear American gun-loving friends. Every time they see a "gun thread", they behave just as if their identity and values were personally menaced. Live and let live!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Something weird is really going on with our dear American gun-loving friends. Every time they see a "gun thread", they behave just as if their identity and values were personally menaced. Live and let live!
    Sames goes to Europeans and the death penalty.

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    Like he said, live and let live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTock View Post
    That's ridiculous. What kind of message does relaxing the gun law send out?
    I hope you are pro death penalty... since "messages" to criminals are so important to you.

    Why does any joe need a gun anyway? Tsk tsk.
    I'm an "average joe", and when I was in the military, I was issued a gun to protect the country's interests. Why should I not be allowed to protect my own interests as a civilian? I don't have a cop to shadow me everywhere I go.

    What always gets me is that when you have these politicians (like Hillary and Pelosi) and celebs (like Rosie O'Donell) talking about restricting the sale of guns, while having armed bodyguards escort them where ever they go. Talk about hypocrisy.

    Anyway, I'm not a UK citizen, and Brits can do whatever the fuck they want with their country. Ban guns, sell out to fundamentalist Muslims, etc. As long as the US govt doesn't try to pull the same shit over here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Sames goes to Europeans and the death penalty.
    You'll find that in the UK over half the population are in favour of the death penalty.

    An asside. I cannot remember reading more than a handful of news articles per year where burglars have used extreme violence (nevermind a gun). Yet this is spun out constantly as the scenario of choice by the popular press, like the "ticking bomb" that is wheeled out for advocates of torture.

    There is a gun problem, however at the moment it typically involves gangbangers in south London and parts of Manchester and Liverpool out to make a name for themselves in the narcotics biz.

    You might argue that legalizing banned drugs would have a more beneficial effects than tooling up Uncle Bert and Aunt Florie - whose efforts at "self defence" might just get 'em killed.

    The thread's a dud.

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    FWIW, I'm American and guns kinda creep me out. It's way too easy to do a lot of damage with a gun. People can get into fights over someone drinking the last beer and have somebody wind up dead because it's just so easy to kill with the darn things. Even with a knife you've got to work at it a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post

    You might argue that legalizing banned drugs would have a more beneficial effects than tooling up Uncle Bert and Aunt Florie - whose efforts at "self defence" might just get 'em killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairything View Post
    It's funny you mention that, because there was something about that that I wanted to bring up in my last post and forgot.

    I was in an off licence (liquor store) the other day where the owners had two sixteenth century muskets on the wall. And yes, they were beautiful, and I was absolutely fascinated by them.

    The "Desert Eagle", on the other hand...
    The "Desert Eagle" is still a part of history. My point is, the people I know who like guns like guns, not killing. I don't think it is sick to like guns. It is sick what people do, and can do with them, and I do not support that. However, throughout American history, guns have been our means of survival, and we are still a very young country.

    The UK on the other hand is much older. We came from England of course. Guns were used to control back then. It is hard to get a society to break away from that. It is still new to us.

    I still don't think guns are so bad. I do think gun control in the UK is fine. I changed my mind.
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