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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    What about old guns? Guns people feel are a major part of history, and want to admire the mechanics/beauty of them?
    It's funny you mention that, because there was something about that that I wanted to bring up in my last post and forgot.

    I was in an off licence (liquor store) the other day where the owners had two sixteenth century muskets on the wall. And yes, they were beautiful, and I was absolutely fascinated by them.

    The "Desert Eagle", on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighairything View Post
    On some level, yes, with the emphasis on "wannabe". Perhaps there are a few people who are into that kind of thing purely and exclusively for the engineering, but my personal observation is that there generally tends to be far more people who are impressed by nice bits of engineering than there are people who know the first thing about engineering.
    That's true but then that concept invalidates democracy and top of the pops in one fell swoop (I know, obviously ridiculous comparison but I'm getting rid of errant detail to get to the theory... of course you may not agree with the straining process).

    The thing is that I didn't know anything about weapons until I became captivated by guns, not for killing people but as the tools of those characters I considered cool. Of course being me that didn't lead to running about saying "bang" but rather lots of reading in the non fiction section. It worried my mother no end as she was sure I'd end up a sociopath or something.

    I think the argument about Katana is fair (they're not the only swords carried by samurai you know *tsk tsk*). They are considered beautiful by some and considering what passes for post modern art... I think I know which side of that line of sickness I'd rather be.

    Perhaps if you consider the context, guns do kill people but they're also involved in moments of heroism that the likes of a pretty tree just cannot compete. Besides which we are combative as a race by nature. Even if we don't face combat we're likely to be drawn to those things which are combative like moths to a flame.
    Quote Originally Posted by bighairything View Post
    In the case of tank enthusiasts, I find it less distasteful than gun enthusiasts because fortunately tanks are somewhat harder to get hold of. Hence it being more harmless than gun fetishism.
    But that's got nothing to do with the object of the fascination. Perhaps it would be truer to say that you object on moral grounds to those who fascinate over the use of guns?
    Quote Originally Posted by bighairything View Post
    I do accept your argument up to a point. I'm a photographer, and although I don't do the whole camera porn thing to such a great extent like some do, it's hard not to get excited by a particularly nice bit of equipment. But I'd struggle to muster that enthusiasm if I didn't like shooting people with my camera.
    See you shoot more people than I do!!! And some of them die!!!
    /jk

    I'm a computer nut too so I'm just into gadgets and engineering. Heck I'll even geek over a large bridge or a complex car but guns are my first love. I think they would have had to remove all loud noises and heroic icons from my youth for me not to have gotten the buzz. It's something to do with something that small from a hand held device being able to blow through solid wood that's just childishly cool
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    Soon to have Obama's face.... it reinforces my view quite well.
    Whoever made that left out quite a few faces. Accidentally, I'm sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    Whoever made that left out quite a few faces. Accidentally, I'm sure...
    Pelosi...Obama...Biden... (the list goes on )
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    I can't say as I'm particularly convinced by the "object of curiosity, beauty and interest" thing...

    By logical extension, you could use that to say people have a right to keep vintage atom bombs in their garage
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    Gun control laws should be strict. Most people on the world are idiots who can't be trusted to be responsible with deadly force. Basically everybody who wants to own a gun should not be allowed to have one.

    As for the whole crime going down thing. I'm not sure about that, but gun control sure as hell isn't malicious to safety!
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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    I can't say as I'm particularly convinced by the "object of curiosity, beauty and interest" thing...

    By logical extension, you could use that to say people have a right to keep vintage atom bombs in their garage
    But... the A-Bombs are ugly, I would much rather have an H-Bomb.

    Seriously though, guns are a work of art. The woodwork is amazing. I keep my guns squeaky clean and shiny. Ironically guns can be a type of life-insurance because unlike other things, they do not depreciate- they increase in value the older they get. Depending how you treat them of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    Most people on the world are idiots who can't be trusted
    It's this attitude that is the reason people SHOULD have guns, to protect themselves and loved ones.

    How are we to resist the government should it do something unthinkable? Do you really think Hitler would have risen to power as quickly as he did if he hadn't disarmed the Jewish population? No. Would we have won the American Revolution if guns were banned to colonists? No. How then, can you justify the banning of guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    It's this attitude that is the reason people SHOULD have guns, to protect themselves and loved ones.

    How are we to resist the government should it do something unthinkable? Do you really think Hitler would have risen to power as quickly as he did if he hadn't disarmed the Jewish population? No. Would we have won the American Revolution if guns were banned to colonists? No. How then, can you justify the banning of guns?
    Ah yes ?All very relevant to the topic? - Gun control in the UK. Godwins Law in action.

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    Granted, this isn't in the UK, but it makes my point: Do you think there would be nearly as many casualties at Ft. Hood if soldiers were allowed to carry their sidearms on base? No. That dude would have gotten laid out... and that would have saved what, 30 lives or something?
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