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    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    If this thread was split, I guess it was for a good reason.

    So if you want to make comments about the American situation, then please join the proper thread, not this one.

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    Whoever made that left out quite a few faces. Accidentally, I'm sure...
    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    Pelosi...Obama...Biden... (the list goes on )
    Actually I was thinking of almost every politician, leading and in opposition, from most of the countries in Europe, and a few other highly developed nations outside Europe. They forgot those faces. You know, the majority of them, that don't belong to brutal dictators.

    And I trust I don't need to point out that the premise is just an ad hominem anyway. Hopefully it was only intended to be a humourous wink among those against tighter gun regulations, not a credible argument. That would suggest either grave stupidity, or grave manipulation of the stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    If someone wants to get a gun, they WILL get a gun. All they have to do is go out on the street and find an illegal firearms dealer. It's not hard at all. The law is irrelevant to criminals! Restricting firearm ownership ONLY hinders law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and others from the lawless.
    No, in the UK it successfully hinders a great number of violent and potentially violent criminals from using guns. That's the point that a lot of you seem to be missing. In the UK the only people who need guns to protect themselves from guns are those involved in trafficking gangs - the only kinds of criminals at all likely to have them - and law enforcement officers trying to stop those involved in trafficking gangs. For everyone else, the chances of ever being shot or threatened with a gun are neglible, including in areas with the highest rates of armed robbery (e.g. with knives) and violent crime. The chances would not be neglible if guns were not as difficult for everybody else to get hold of as they are.

    If I were living in the US I'd probably be in favour of only slightly tighter gun control than you already have, if it is indeed true that there it can never be made so difficult for dangerous people to get hold of them, and I'm much more often on the left side of issues. But in the UK gun control that lax would be disastrous, as it would create a threat that truly - this is the part some don't seem able to believe - doesn't currently exist.

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    I dont believe that war is politics carried on by other means, its the irretrievable break down of politics, likewise I only believe that political power blooming from a barrel of a gun is a truism at certain times and places. There are a lot of varieties of power and deferrence, reducing it all to might isnt exactly true. Equally all power is accompanied by a series of mitigating factors or forces, many of them unacknowledged.

    I know those sorts of arguments are popular with gun lobbys but they are pretty nonsensical, all the real revolutions date from a time before even standing armies, that's why Marx was able to quip that the French peasant wanted Liberty, Equality, Fraternity but got infrantry, cavalry, artillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    No, in the UK it successfully hinders a great number of violent and potentially violent criminals from using guns. That's the point that a lot of you seem to be missing. In the UK the only people who need guns to protect themselves from guns are those involved in trafficking gangs - the only kinds of criminals at all likely to have them - and law enforcement officers trying to stop those involved in trafficking gangs. For everyone else, the chances of ever being shot or threatened with a gun are neglible, including in areas with the highest rates of armed robbery (e.g. with knives) and violent crime. The chances would not be neglible if guns were not as difficult for everybody else to get hold of as they are.

    If I were living in the US I'd probably be in favour of only slightly tighter gun control than you already have, if it is indeed true that there it can never be made so difficult for dangerous people to get hold of them, and I'm much more often on the left side of issues. But in the UK gun control that lax would be disastrous, as it would create a threat that truly - this is the part some don't seem able to believe - doesn't currently exist.
    You make a good point about the cultural specifity of legalisation, the legitimacy of deploying armed force is going to be as important as the availability of arms, its chicken and egg as to which comes first, although depending on the culture availability will be important in preventing or enabling gun violence.

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    Any thread that mentions Situationism in the first page is dubious.

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    I think this is getting a bit silly. Comparing rates of gun related crime from a country that has lots of guns to one that has none (legally) is not comparing like with like. Now if we were to have a look at some statistics which compared rates of crime across the board then perhaps we could start looking at whether the presence of gun influences the crime rate.

    Personally I suspect that despite the wide presence of guns in the US the crime rate is equally high if not higher than in the UK which kind of puts a full stop in the whole "guns reduce the risk of crime" theory.

    Also I think it bears mentioning that these are people we're talking about and not constructs built upon statistics. The UK citizen as a whole is less likely to interfere with an ongoing crime, they're less likely to want to confront people and that would all be influenced by a higher proliferation of guns. Personally I wouldn't like to see what napoleon complexes would be developed by your average bobby with a gun.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont believe that war is politics carried on by other means, its the irretrievable break down of politics, likewise I only believe that political power blooming from a barrel of a gun is a truism at certain times and places. There are a lot of varieties of power and deferrence, reducing it all to might isnt exactly true. Equally all power is accompanied by a series of mitigating factors or forces, many of them unacknowledged.

    I know those sorts of arguments are popular with gun lobbys but they are pretty nonsensical, all the real revolutions date from a time before even standing armies, that's why Marx was able to quip that the French peasant wanted Liberty, Equality, Fraternity but got infrantry, cavalry, artillary.
    Interesting thoughts. Personally I think that politics is war carried on by other means. What do you have in mind as examples of power and deference that aren't ultimately underpinned by might?

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    I would humbly consider myself quite an enthusiast of military hardware and firearms in general and as such I think that to adequately defend myself against the depredations of a corrupt government I would want the following in my personal collection..

    -Laser guided munitions and a remote bomber to do the flying
    -Large quantities of explosives to help hinder the movement of the enemies forces
    -Huge stockpiles of automatic weaponry and high calibre anti material rifles with enough ammunition for a protracted engagement.
    -Armoured transports with chemical, biological and nuclear protection
    -Some SAMs, a few anti armour disposable rocket launchers
    -At least one Mk19 grenade launcher preferably mounted on an Apache with all the advanced fire and forget gubbins.
    -Oh and one nuclear missile capable of crossing the entire states (just in case I moved to the west coast).

    Of course as a responsible citizen who has the right to vote and stand against tyranny I should be allowed all of these as a constitutional right.

    Oh and an army... a navy... ooo and airforce. My own intelligence and counter intelligence agencies... And an island so I can see them coming...
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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