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    Here's the article: Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    The Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, also known as Climategate,[1][2][3] began in November 2009 with the hacking of a server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, England, in the United Kingdom. An unknown individual stole[4] and anonymously disseminated over a thousand e-mails and other documents.[5][6][7] The university confirmed that a "criminal breach" of their security systems took place,[8] but could not confirm the authenticity of the material at short notice,[9] and expressed concern "that personal information about individuals may have been compromised."[10] Details of the incident have been reported to the police, who are investigating.[5] Later, Phil Jones, Director of the CRU, confirmed that all of the leaked emails that had provoked heated debate appeared to be genuine.[11]

    Climate change sceptics have asserted that the e-mails show collusion[12] by climate scientists to withhold scientific information.[13] Other prominent climate scientists, such as Richard Somerville, have called the incident a smear campaign.[14] Jones called charges that the emails involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous",[15] and Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research stated that the sceptics have selectively quoted words and phrases out of context in an attempt to sabotage the Copenhagen global climate summit in December.[16]
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    An excerpt from one November 1999 email authored by the head of the CRU, Phil Jones, reads, "I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal] trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."[12][30][31] The RealClimate website, in their response to the CRU hack, characterizes the excerpt as follows:

    The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term "trick" to refer to a "a good way to deal with a problem", rather than something that is "secret", and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"ľsee e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommended not using the post-1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.[32]

    Several websites of global-warming sceptics quoted a line written by Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, discussing gaps in understanding of recent temperature variations: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't," Trenberth wrote.[13] However, Trenberth told the Associated Press that the phrase was actually used in an article he authored calling for improvement in measuring global warming to describe unusual data, such as rising sea surface temperatures.[16] The word travesty refers to what Trenberth sees as an inadequate observing system that, were it more adequate, would be able to track the warming he believes is there.[10]
    And you all made such a fuss about Global Warming when it could all be a hoax.

    Notice* I said could. This could just be biased bits of evidence blown way out of proportion.

    But then again, the fact that Climatologists have been tampering with their evidence is alone corrupt.

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    Another predictable smear campaign... Will this nonsense never end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Another predictable smear campaign... Will this nonsense never end?

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    "Aside from crackpots who complain that a conspiracy is suppressing their personal discoveries, we've never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of deliberate deception and other professional malfeasance. Even the tobacco companies never tried to slander legitimate cancer researchers."

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    It's overblown by people who were already eager to dismiss global warming.

    The whole subject is too big, too supported, and too long-standing to be proven false by this relatively isolated incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It's overblown by people who were already eager to dismiss global warming.

    The whole subject is too big, too supported, and too long-standing to be proven false by this relatively isolated incident.

    That doesn't matter in this particular case, though. A conspiracy to withhold scientific data for political reasons is a very big deal.
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    Believe it or not, LA used to have a LOT more smog when I was growing up.

    Anyone growing up in LA in the 80's and 90s would remember regularly have "Smog days" where we couldn't run outside for laps for PE.

    As kids, it was great. I hated running. Sports > running. But nowadays, you never really see "Hazardous smog days" in LA. the air is definitely cleaner. Which is pretty cool as an adult, cus I don't have to run laps anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    Believe it or not, LA used to have a LOT more smog when I was growing up.

    Anyone growing up in LA in the 80's and 90s would remember regularly have "Smog days" where we couldn't run outside for laps for PE.

    As kids, it was great. I hated running. Sports > running. But nowadays, you never really see "Hazardous smog days" in LA. the air is definitely cleaner. Which is pretty cool as an adult, cus I don't have to run laps anyways.
    All of which is unrelated to the topic at hand-desiring to limit sulfur dioxide to (subjectively) improve quality of life is completely different from limiting carbon dioxide emissions to limit the Greenhouse effect.

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    It shows why we shouldn't just blindly defer to the so call authorities.

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    This isn't an indictment of all scientists, but it does call all data into question. I'm not saying all (or even most) pro-warming scientists are unethical, but if anyone believes these are the only instances of this occurring, you are incredibly naive.
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    The only thing i can say about the environment with any certainty is this:

    - Humanity is affecting the environment
    - Humanity is not the only thing affecting the environment
    - Humanity's impact on the environment is not positive

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