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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    The thing I dislike about the South... is mostly the countryside, the gun carrying, the violent nature,
    Apparently you haven't spent a lot of time in Las Vegas or Los Angeles

    I spent a total of seven years between the two, and I assure you I encountered much more violence and gun carrying than I ever did living in Raleigh, NC or Charleston, WV.

    and the occasional fanaticism that crops up in Southern communities.
    At least there are communities in which fanaticism can spring up. Larger cities often lack that feeling of community, in my experience. Trust me - there is fanaticism in other parts of the country.

    Granted, it's not as bad in the cities, especially if they have skyscrapers and airports.
    Because sky scrapers automatically spell peace, prosperity, education and civilization for all? Tell that to working class citizens of 19th and early 20th century New York.

    I think my thanksgiving trip might be the source of most of my frustration... I'll vent about that later.
    Man, I love the South - this is just so weird to me. Sure there are bad points, but there are just as many ignorant people in other places, trust me. If you're comparing working class Southerners to highly educated upper-class Northerners which you see on television, that isn't a fair comparison.

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    I spent 15+ years in various parts of the South. Mostly in South Carolina, Georgia, and North Carolina. The people who live in rural areas are live and let live, by and large. It's mostly the people who are in the suburbs, and the cities with the attitude problems.

    Now that I think about it. It seems that the cities had a high number of Northerners show up just a couple of years before I left.

    P.S. I left to come here to the Northwest. Where my then girlfriend lived. The weather here is much more agreeable to me. I detest being hot. And heat and humidity makes me irritable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Apparently you haven't spent a lot of time in Las Vegas or Los Angeles

    I spent a total of seven years between the two, and I assure you I encountered much more violence and gun carrying than I ever did living in Raleigh, NC or Charleston, WV.
    I wouldn't go to Las Vegas or Los Angeles. Those places are well-known for gang and drug activity.


    At least there are communities in which fanaticism can spring up. Larger cities often lack that feeling of community, in my experience. Trust me - there is fanaticism in other parts of the country.
    I didn't mean "community" in that sense of the word.

    Believe me, there isn't a strong feeling of community here in Dallas, either.


    Because sky scrapers automatically spell peace, prosperity, education and civilization for all? Tell that to working class citizens of 19th and early 20th century New York.
    Well, more so than NOT having those things. Such areas at least have the infrastructure for those things, even if they don't actually possess them. It implies that and encourages it, it doesn't guarantee anything.

    Man, I love the South - this is just so weird to me. Sure there are bad points, but there are just as many ignorant people in other places, trust me. If you're comparing working class Southerners to highly educated upper-class Northerners which you see on television, that isn't a fair comparison.
    Aren't most wealthy Southerners just people who found oil? (kidding)

    But seriously, when I say I hate the South, what I really mean is that I hate rural areas and their isolation combined with lack of infrastructure, regardless of where they are. It's just that I typically associate North=urban, South=rural. It's a rather gross generalization, I admit.

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    I was just making sure you weren't mistakenly associating certain patterns of behavior with "Southerners" which are in reality just traits of humanity in general.

    I understand that you don't like the ignorance that can fester in rural areas. That's pretty much on the top of my list of what I don't like about the South. But there's so much more than that going on here, and I get agitated when people keep harping on it, because I sincerely think people over-generalize the South in a very bigoted way. Making fun of Southerners is like the last acceptable form of racism.

    However, I'll forgive you since you're from Dallas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Wow, you're ignorant.
    my mothers family lives in texas and I grew up south of the mason-dixon line (there was even a highschool in the area named after general Lee), but what would i know.

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    Reasons the South is cool:

    Food (good god, if there's a way to shove fat into it, they've found it)
    Fanatical support of college football
    New Orleans
    Last outpost of the shade-tree mechanic
    Good lord, Southern women know how to bring it

    Reasons the South sucks:

    Calvinism
    Everyone believes in the just-world hypothesis
    Contribution to music has collapsed in the last 30 years
    Crushing institutional poverty (related to points one and two)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    The thing I dislike about the South... is mostly the countryside, the gun carrying, the violent nature, and the occasional fanaticism that crops up in Southern communities.
    There's a town close to where I used to live that required every head of household to own a gun. Reduced crime substantially.

    One thing I most love about the South is the countryside: the kudzu growing up the sides of all the old buildings, and smell the smell of honeysuckles and muscadines mixed in with freshly cut grass, catching fireflies at night, walking through deep woods, being able to stargaze b/c of the limited light pollution, all the variations of the Southern drawl, getting boiled peanuts from the gas station, etc....



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    You can't hold anyone's feet over the fire without getting burned. It bothers me that we can't have a thread about the nice things about the South without someone dragging up old matters. I refuse to feel guilty about what I am.
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    Ok, so there is just way too much to quote here that I have problems with.

    First off, this is the Southerners TRIBUTE thread. You don't like the South?

    Well, that's great, but no one here CARES.

    Second: Southern stereotypes

    Because everyone here is a gun toting, bible thumping, racist, neoconservative, redneck, right?

    Well allow me to retort:

    1) You got me on the guns thing. I do like them. They are a hobby of mine. I enjoy the history that surrounds them, and I love taking them apart and figuring out how they work. And shooting is a stress reliever for me. Yes. But like Biaxident said, you can find that anywhere! Plus, I live in Houston, which is one of the largest cities in the nation, so Athenian: I'm sorry, but it can be just as bad in the cities if not worse.....like the gang wars in Los Angeles.

    2) I am a Deist. Enough said on that.

    3) Everyone is racist/prejudice! EVERYONE!!!!!!! Its inherent in our society. (note, I'm trying to keep these brief, but I can go on if someone decides to push the issue)

    4) I am a libertarian

    5) I despise all derogatory terms such as redneck, cracker, hillbilly, etc. Do any of you who use these terms to degrade people know where these terms come from? This is not rhetorical. I want an answer.

    In short, I believe that stereotypes, while many times true, usually represent the most extreme form of a particular group of people.

    It'd be like if I said everyone in California are a bunch of weed smoking, socialist, hippies.

    Now, regardless of how you feel about that, it simply isn't true.

    Personally, I despise white trash, which can be found ANYWHERE!!!!! And I depise illiterate bigotry.

    As far as the ass kicking goes: I have no qualms about violence. Violence is merely a form of diplomacy. And when talking fails, then it sometimes must be called on.

    I do not believe it is a solution to every problem, but it is a solution to many, and has been throughout history.

    As Nietzche said, conflict progresses society. Many of our technological and medical advances have been made through war.

    And as for the Civil War. The South fired first at Fort Sumpter. Unfortunately so, because I wouldn't have if I were them.

    I do not believe that secession should be considered illegal. If a state no longer has the same goals as the rest of the nation, then let them pay their dues to that nation and strike out on their own. That being said, slavery was a despicable institution and I would not have supported it. But I am an advocate of state's rights.

    Sure, there are negative connotations (sp) to go with the South, but there is a lot of good things. If you disagree with anything I've said here, then that's fine. I could really care less.

    I know who I am. I know what I believe. I know my heritage. I acknowledge the mistakes and the negative aspects of such, but that will not keep me from having pride in the good things. In fact, it only inspires me more to lay such stereotypes to rest.

    Look out world, this is one educated, multicultural, and enlightened Southerner you do NOT want to mess with!

    But um......I'm still keeping the guns.

    NOW IS THERE ANYTHING......ANYTHING AT ALL........THAT I LEFT OUT? Speak now or forever hold your peace.

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    Count me as an East Coast liberal who digs the South. I love where I live and don't ever plan on moving, but if I ever had to leave my part of the country, I'd definitely consider heading down to Dixie. Great food, quirky people, lazy summer days, and a lot of history - good and bad.

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    Calvinism spelled the end to Lord Byron's sanity. lol

    I have a funny story. Y'all already know I'm a punk rock girl. I was hanging out with my ESFP best friend Shorty and my sis LadyJaye, when a friend of Shorty's shows up and says "Hey, y'all wanna come out for some fun?!" Heck yeah! So we piled into his car and drove out into this part of town that was remote, somewhere we'd never been before. It was a club tucked back off the road.

    When we pulled in, there was nothin' but Camaros and trucks in the dirt parking lot. LOL I was like, "Oh my goodness..." but Shorty's friend dragged us all inside the cowboy club. All heads turned to stare. Why? Because I was wearing a black Harley Davidson t-shirt, cut-off shorts, biker boots loaded with chains and straps, and had a big skunk stripe in my hair. I thought for sure this would be a terrible idea, but Shorty pulled me off to the side and de-punked me a little, which was apparently unnecessary because when I reappeared, a good-looking cowboy grabbed my hand. It was the caller. He winked, smiled really big and said, "We don't get mucha your kind 'round here.... COME ON, BEAUTIFUL!"

    He pulled me out on the floor and danced with me. It was a lot of fun. I was laughing the whole way through. Of course, I was a nervous wreck when I walked in - my urban attitude was to be on guard - but after the caller grabbed me, that put me in the "acceptable" category.

    It was much the same way when I went into diesel. I scared the heck outta the guys when I first arrived just based on my appearance, but they respected our foreman who's given me the big thumbs up, plus when they realized I was a nice sociable girl, they warmed up to me right away.

    I had no idea I freaked them out until one of them -- one of the most archetypal tobacco-chewing, belt-buckle-wearing, drawly country guys around -- told me so months later. He put his arm around my neck as we walked, said "We pick on you because we like you. You're like our sister. Only not."

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