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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    If you really looked hard enough and held the right perspective, you could say that about virtually anyone in any position of authority.
    There is a difference between being a bureaucratic insider and a half-incompetent media-groomed personality. You can actually take one of them seriously as a political force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    After that, now it just seems that being a boyish media personality counts more than actual competence. In the last election, political inexperience was actually seen as a positive rather than a negative. Since the 1930's or so(definately since JFK), the office of president has basically degenerated more and more into the office of America's #1 celebrity.
    This is a great point. Somebody should have told Reagan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    There is a difference between being a bureaucratic insider and a half-incompetent media-groomed personality. You can actually take one of them seriously as a political force.
    You might, but the majority doesn't because entertainment is more sought after than nut-meat politics. So where does society go when it is torn between self-deprecating stimulation and sober information? Nowhere.

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    Yes Reagan sealed the deal on that score - quite literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    You might, but the majority doesn't because entertainment is more sought after than nut-meat politics.
    Yes that's the point. Politics today is more about entertainment than actual policy matters. It's pretty much like American Idol; only the winner in this case gets the grand prize of a nuclear arsenal.

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    I dearly hope that no republican is made president in the next few decades.
    Some americans may hold on to those odd ideals, but most of the world think they're no better than nazis making life hard for the rest of the world.

    It'd be morbidly fun to watch Sarah Palin and Huckabee... What a freakshow.
    The world would laugh their collective ass off at the phenomena known as "american stupidity" ten times worse than we did during the Bush years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I dearly hope that no republican is made president in the next few decades.
    Some americans may hold on to those odd ideals, but most of the world think they're no better than nazis making life hard for the rest of the world.
    Good thing the rest of the world has no say. I am no Bush or Palin or Huckabee fan in the least, but to believe that that crew is no better than Nazis means that the problem is with the opinion holder, not the Americans who vote for them.


    It'd be morbidly fun to watch Sarah Palin and Huckabee... What a freakshow.
    The world would laugh their collective ass off at the phenomena known as "american stupidity" ten times worse than we did during the Bush years.
    And Americans will continue to get to laugh at European countries that still have Communists in parliament, because that is far more retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The candidate who the base likes best is most likely NOT the candidate who have the best chance of winning the election.
    Well I definitely disagree with you on this point. The candidate that the base likes the best is the one that will win the nomination. This candidate has a greater than zero chance of winning the presidency, while all of the nomination losers have zero chance of winning the presidency.

    Again, we disagree. George H.W. Bush, anyone? Two-time VP under one of the most popular presidents of the 20th Century and the United States was coming off an easy victory in a fairly popular war, and he still lost. If the economy is still bad two years from now, Obama will be vulnerable, even if he hasn't "screwed up" in some major way.
    Bush #1 went on TV and said, "Read my lips: No new taxes!" Shortly after that Congress raised taxes. That qualifies as a major screw up in my book. He got cocky and he got burned for it. It was H.W. Bush's to lose and he lost it.

    This time it's Obama's to lose, and he could very well do something to lose it. Either way the Republican that is picked won't matter unless the election is really close. (Even then plenty of swing voters would choose Palin because she is fairly likable.) In most scenarios either Obama wins by a good margin or he loses by a good margin because he screwed up. The specific Republican candidate matters little. That is why they are going to pick some tool that everyone likes and will do what the party leaders want. That is why they will pick Sarah Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Good thing the rest of the world has no say. I am no Bush or Palin or Huckabee fan in the least, but to believe that that crew is no better than Nazis means that the problem is with the opinion holder, not the Americans who vote for them.
    Umm yeah, I have to agree with Merc here. Godwin's Law, anybody?
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    i've got nothing good or bad to say about palin, but if glenn beck runs for vice president then i will come up with plenty of nasty things to say about her.
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