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    Quote Originally Posted by Take Five View Post
    It is usually dangerous to compare different wars to one another. Wars are very complex--it's not as simple as how many do we have vs how many they have vs how many we are willing to lose.
    Overall yes this is the case. You can compare wars of a roughly similar nature, but even then. It'd be much better to compare Afghanistan to Vietnam, but even then there's problems. Probably the closest parallel we have is the Soviet campaign against the Mujahideen in the 1980s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Overall yes this is the case. You can compare wars of a roughly similar nature, but even then. It'd be much better to compare Afghanistan to Vietnam, but even then there's problems. Probably the closest parallel we have is the Soviet campaign against the Mujahideen in the 1980s.
    Also, this: Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia isn't going on against us. We gave the Mujahideen a hell of a lot of money and modern weaponry to fight the Soviets. They would have gotten their asses kicked otherwise, or at the very least, been far less effective. $630 million (in 2009 dollars $1.2 billion+) a year of weapons and aid wasn't exactly nothing.
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    Yes I'm well aware of American aid to the Afghanis.

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    Its strategically important because of its proximity to Russia.

    Ever wondered if the reason the conspiracy theories about 9/11 were quashed wasnt because they were completely untrue but because the terrorists were assisted by either complicity or indirect support of a supposed ally such as Israel (who had been feeding intelligence to the US for a long time implicating Iraq and Iran in all kinds of anti-US plots, including hacking scams which were traced back Iraqi but which turned out to the work of Israelis) or Russia (Russian whistle blowers have been assasinated in the UK for threatening to expose the complicity or stimulus of islamic terror by Russian authorities, anti-terrorism is the new socialism when it comes to en vogue mass appeal ideologies).

    So far as defeating the islamic terror threat in Afghanistan, I dont know whether its possible with a collosal loss of life, however, dont kid yourself that its impossible because with enough killing and the US has the machinery for it, it'd be possible alright.

    Truth is its a second front too, so long as the volunteers for jihad are going out there they arent blowing up bystanders in streets in the US or EU or UK. From shortly before the Bosnian war arabian and other volunteer corps were shipping off any place were martyrdom promised to present itself. A bit like how the Che cult served to garner support for people like The Shinning Path, FARC, ELN etc. in the seventies.

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    no. i think that it really doesn't matter. we should just get on with our lives, and work from where we are now. fix the current problems, then go back and survey what we did wrong, assuming we're still alive by then.
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    Russia (Russian whistle blowers have been assasinated in the UK for threatening to expose the complicity or stimulus of islamic terror by Russian authorities, anti-terrorism is the new socialism when it comes to en vogue mass appeal ideologies).
    Russians hate muslims with a passion. Considering the Caucasus (aka Chechnya and Ingushita) and all of the islamic terrorism in Russia in the past 15 years, most recently the bombing that killed 25 or so people last week on the main Moscow-St. Petersburg, I doubt russia would touch directly aiding islamic terrorism past it's moderate support for Iran. Just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    Russians hate muslims with a passion. Considering the Caucasus (aka Chechnya and Ingushita) and all of the islamic terrorism in Russia in the past 15 years, most recently the bombing that killed 25 or so people last week on the main Moscow-St. Petersburg, I doubt russia would touch directly aiding islamic terrorism past it's moderate support for Iran. Just saying...
    Did you know that Communists hated elitism with a passion while they killed any enemies of the politbureau that existed?

    Were did that Islamic terror come from? Was it always there during the Cold War and went unreported until the Russians had their own Afghan war?

    I've read some interesting stuff recently about Beslan, which has been VERY important in my making my own mind up about Islamic terror, many of the families have questioned why the perpetrators of that hostage crisis and massacre were in custody and released.

    I would too, likewise some third world government had Bin Laden in custody duing the Clinton Administration, the Somalis or someone like that, they wanted the US to take him because he was a nuisance but the US refused and threatened violence.

    The reality is that anti-terrorism is one of those big ideas, like socialism, which appears to be common sense, have mass appeal and could only be opposed or questioned by the slightly mad. That is until you carefully consider it.

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