User Tag List

First 34567 Last

Results 41 to 50 of 116

  1. #41
    The Unwieldy Clawed One Falcarius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    COOL
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Socionics
    Dino None
    Posts
    2,565

    Default

    The reason politics is not seen as respectable job as it should be is not so much because it is a perfidious or iniquitous job, but rather politicians are held more accountable than most other jobs.

    Being a politician is like being one of the defensive backs in American football, not only do they arguably have the hardest job and most important jobs around but also the least respected. Just like how offensive American football players get more acclaim for scoring a field goal or touchdown than defenders do for tackles, top lawyers get acclaim for putting away notorious criminals and military generals for winning wars than politicians for effective administration. Rightly or wrongly, people remember the winning goal or touchdown decades after the Super Bowl, but they don't tend to remember a good tackle unless it is dramatic and right at the end of a game like Super Bowl XXXIV.

    Likewise, defensive American football players and politicians tend to get remembered for their mistakes as their mistakes are more noticeable; quarterbacks have all the defensive line as well as bunch of offensive players if they make mistakes like giving the ball away, where as free safety or strong safety won't have anyone. A military general can blame politicians if a war does not go well, a lawyer can blame politicians for a lenient sentence as they are only working to political framework, but who do politicians blame when they make a faux pas or something goes wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalassa View Post
    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

  2. #42
    Feline Member kelric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INtP
    Posts
    2,169

    Default

    I think that many people have touched on this already in different words... but the fact is that what gets someone into a political office and keeps them there, is not necessarily any of the following:

    Best leader
    Most honest
    Most dedicated
    Most responsible
    Best problem-solver

    All of those are more or less optional -- or even harmful in the process. What is absolutely *not* optional is "good at getting elected". When you really get down to it, ability to get elected is at best only peripherally (if that) associated with the ability to govern well. Elections are easier to buy (propaganda, selected participation in debates/forums, advertising both positive and negative) than they are to earn. Especially in this day and age, when national (or regional) affairs are complex enough that any given voter cannot obtain enough information to make a fully informed decision -- even if they had time, which quite frankly, many don't. So those with resources to directly affect public opinion (those who make campaign contributions, etc.) rule the roost by directing those resources into the easiest way to get their candidate elected. This often involves manipulation, scare tactics, smearing, lying, finger-pointing, and otherwise promising voters things that can not or will not be followed through on.

    Much of that involves activities that are considered reprehensible in day-to-day life. Combine that with political opponents' always being willing to make a huge deal out of *anything* that can be cast in a negative light (spreading the word of negatives), and it's not hard to imagine that politics wouldn't be a particularly respected profession.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  3. #43
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    MBTI
    ISTP
    Enneagram
    9w8 sp/sx
    Posts
    1,636

    Default

    What many people don't understand about the US Government, is that the people who allegedly represent the populus don't even read most of the bills they pass. They don't even write the legislation they submit.

    Pretty much what happens is a Senator or Congress person goes to i.e. a university event to raise campaign money for the next election. On average they spend six hours per week just raising money for the next campaign.

    Say the university is heavily researching polymers for the defense industry...someone somewhere writes legislation to fund a university program for that purpose by the Federal Government. The legislation gets passed as pork barrell tacked onto some other bill and there's not jack or squat the average citizen who votes can do to stop it.

    I stopped voting years ago, thinking it a silly waste of time when the same handful of people who pull the strings of what our government does, are also the ones who ultimately pick the candidates. The average citizen for the most part doesn't have much of a choice in who gets picked, or how their tax money is spent...to line the pockets of individuals who are "within the circle of influence."

  4. #44
    Artisan Conquerer Halla74's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    ESTP
    Enneagram
    7w8 sx/so
    Socionics
    SLE
    Posts
    6,927

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    I stopped voting years ago, thinking it a silly waste of time when the same handful of people who pull the strings of what our government does, are also the ones who ultimately pick the candidates. The average citizen for the most part doesn't have much of a choice in who gets picked, or how their tax money is spent...to line the pockets of individuals who are "within the circle of influence."
    I am going to quote RUSH's Geddy Lee:

    "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
    --------------------
    Type Stats:
    MBTI -> (E) 77.14% | (i) 22.86% ; (S) 60% | (n) 40% ; (T) 72.22% | (f) 27.78% ; (P) 51.43% | (j) 48.57%
    BIG 5 -> Extroversion 77% ; Accommodation 60% ; Orderliness 62% ; Emotional Stability 64% ; Open Mindedness 74%

    Quotes:
    "If somebody asks your MBTI type on a first date, run". -Donna Cecilia
    "Enneagram is psychological underpinnings. Cognitive Functions are mental reasoning and perceptional processes. -Sanjuro

  5. #45
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    MBTI
    ISTP
    Enneagram
    9w8 sp/sx
    Posts
    1,636

    Default

    Yes, it is a choice.

  6. #46
    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    6,276

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Why is it that going into Politics is assumed to be an unscrupulous choice?

    According to you, how could politics be made respectable once more?
    When have politicians ever been respectable?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

  7. #47
    Tempbanned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Enneagram
    8w9
    Posts
    14,031

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    When have politicians ever been respectable?
    Lincoln, Kennedy, Washington etc.

  8. #48
    Charting a course
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INFP
    Posts
    3,638

    Default

    All I know is.

    It seems that no matter how perfect a candidate is, how great his track record is. Once they get into an office, the deals, shady backroom compromises, and kowtowing to large businesses, stain that person.

    They can be the 'White Knight' for every constituency in the country when they get into office. But after a year or two of making deals for one or two well paying constituents, at the expense of many who don't have much, it wears on a good person.

    I know that there have been some in office that thrive on deals, and screw whomever gets in the way. They have that slick, used car salesman look about them.

    It's respectable if you can hold onto your core principles. Otherwise you're just another shark looking for a meal.

  9. #49
    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    6,276

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Lincoln, Kennedy, Washington etc.
    I was speaking as a general group, not specific individuals, due to your original post. Politicians are trash and they've always been trash. That will never change.

    Lincoln and Kennedy were nothing special. Their legacies were inflated after they were assassinated. Washington was different. Comparing those two to Washington is an insult.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

  10. #50
    Tempbanned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Enneagram
    8w9
    Posts
    14,031

    Default

    What about John Adams.

    I know that most politicians suck. I also know that one generally has to learn to play the game before one can get inside.

    But, what if someone, pure of intentions, divorced from his desire for material goods, and tireless in his pursuit of just governance, convinced the players in DC that he was a good ol' boy. One of them.

    All the while sleeping on his intentions for good. He waits until he is in a position of sufficient prominence, and once there, he works according to only his principles (not his party's). He destroys the entrenched power on both sides, and in so doing, gives a voice back to the American people, that moneyed interests, lobbying, and big business had taken as their own.

    To see the problem, know you have the ability to fix it, and yet do nothing because of a fear of losing yourself to the lesser demons of your character, is not only cowardly, it would only serve to suffocate the flames of passion which burn so desperately within me.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 03-31-2016, 06:14 PM
  2. How did you get the politics you did
    By Zergling in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 01-21-2016, 06:06 PM
  3. Political figures you respect despite policy h8
    By FunnyDigestion in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 03-20-2012, 10:36 AM
  4. Political Party?
    By wyrdsister in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 69
    Last Post: 08-04-2009, 08:09 PM
  5. Politics career
    By pholiveira in forum Academics and Careers
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 01-26-2009, 10:43 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO