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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    As a nation-state, why should we not have a native automotive industry, regardless of the methods taken to sustain it? I don't want a policy discussion of how to keep the industry.
    Why should we?

    Edit: Oh, and we are a state-nation, though I suppose that doesn't matter in the above context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Why should we?

    Edit: Oh, and we are a state-nation, though I suppose that doesn't matter in the above context.
    Nah ah, can't do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    As a nation-state, why should we not have a native automotive industry, regardless of the methods taken to sustain it? I don't want a policy discussion of how to keep the industry.
    Because you don't have industries for the sake of having industries. You have them because they are productive and provide jobs that you don't need to subsidize. Why shouldn't Fiji have a native automotive industry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Why shouldn't the US have an automotive industry?
    I didn't say that we shouldn't. It's not a matter of "should" or "shouldn't". It's a matter of focusing on what we do well; allocating resources efficiently (something that market does well in most cases). If American automotive manufacturers cannot compete on equal footing with foreign automotive manufacturers, we should not prop them up. I have no emotional attachment to any sort of American auto industry any more than I have an emotional attachment to any sort of American television manufacturing industry (insert any other industry you choose).

    My personal opinion is that the US is capable of competing with foreign automotive manufacturers. That's just not what happened, and I think governmental policy is to blame. Over time, the Big 3 became dependent on the crutches afforded them through protectionism (tariffs). When those crutches were scaled back, they could no longer stand.

    In a way, you could argue that protectionism had a negative long-term impact on the American automotive industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Because you don't have industries for the sake of having industries. You have them because they are productive and provide jobs that you don't need to subsidize. Why shouldn't Fiji have a native automotive industry?
    I guess we never should have had railroads in this country, then.

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    One of the arguements for tariffs are to protect strategically sensitive domestic industries.

    i.e. we wouldn't want to outsource security of our ports to a Saudi corporation, basic infrastructure like National Gaurd, Utilities, etc.

    But yeah, tariffs are just a hammers or screwdrivers. You can't really disagree with a tool, just how the tool is used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I guess we never should have had railroads in this country, then.
    Not paid for by government.
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    The national defense argument is backwards.

    If you want to promote peace, then fewer tariffs (and quotas) are the way to go. Trade partners have a greater incentive to avoid violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Not paid for by government.
    The railroads in this country were paid for by the state governments. And each government built a different gauge rail line stifling free trade for far too long.

    But recently we have changed to a single gauge and abolished our tariffs.

    Works like a treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The railroads in this country were paid for by the state governments. And each government built a different gauge rail line stifling free trade for far too long.

    But recently we have changed to a single gauge and abolished our tariffs.

    Works like a treat.
    Well, that works out nicely.
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