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    This article really fascinated me, and stirred my brain around, but I don't know where to start in commenting on it, so I've just posted it here, and wonder what anyone else thinks.

    Russia's Conquering Zeros
    The strength of post-Soviet math stems from decades of lonely productivity

    It may be no accident that, while some of the best American mathematical minds worked to solve one of the century's hardest problems—the Poincaré Conjecture—it was a Russian mathematician working in Russia who, early in this decade, finally triumphed.

    Decades before, in the Soviet Union, math placed a premium on logic and consistency in a culture that thrived on rhetoric and fear; it required highly specialized knowledge to understand; and, worst of all, mathematics lay claim to singular and knowable truths—when the regime had staked its own legitimacy on its own singular truth. All this made mathematicians suspect. Still, math escaped the purges, show trials and rule by decree that decimated other Soviet sciences.

    Three factors saved math. First, Russian math happened to be uncommonly strong right when it might have suffered the most, in the 1930s. Second, math proved too obscure for the sort of meddling Joseph Stalin most liked to exercise: It was simply too difficult to ignite a passionate debate about something as inaccessible as the objective nature of natural numbers (although just such a campaign was attempted). And third, at a critical moment math proved immensely useful to the state.

    Three weeks after Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, the Soviet air force had been bombed out of existence. The Russian military set about retrofitting civilian airplanes for use as bombers. The problem was, the civilian airplanes were much slower than the military ones, rendering moot everything the military knew about aim.

    What was needed was a small army of mathematicians to recalculate speeds and distances to let the air force hit its targets.

    The greatest Russian mathematician of the 20th century, Andrei Kolmogorov, led a classroom of students, armed with adding machines, in recalculating the Red Army's bombing and artillery tables. Then he set about creating a new system of statistical control and prediction for the Soviet military.

    Following the war, the Soviets invested heavily in high-tech military research, building over 40 cities where scientists and mathematicians worked in secret. The urgency of the mobilization recalled the Manhattan Project—only much bigger and lasting much longer. Estimates of the number of people engaged in the Soviet arms effort in the second half of the century range up to 12 million people, with a couple million of them employed by military-research institutions.

    These jobs spelled nearly total scientific isolation: For defense employees, any contact with foreigners would be considered treasonous rather than simply suspect. In addition, research towns provided comfortably cloistered social environments but no possibility for outside intellectual contact. The Soviet Union managed to hide some of its best mathematical minds away in plain sight.

    In the years following Stalin's death in 1953, the Iron Curtain began to open a tiny crack—not quite enough to facilitate much-needed conversation with non-Soviet mathematicians but enough to show off some of Soviet mathematics' proudest achievements.

    By the 1970s, a Soviet math establishment had taken shape. A totalitarian system within a totalitarian system, it provided its members not only with work and money but also with apartments, food, and transportation. It determined where they lived and when, where, and how they traveled for work or pleasure. To those in the fold, it was a controlling and strict but caring mother: Her children were undeniably privileged.

    Even for members of the math establishment, though, there were always too few good apartments, too many people wanting to travel to a conference. So it was a vicious, back-stabbing little world, shaped by intrigue, denunciations and unfair competition.

    Then there were those who could never join the establishment: those who happened to be born Jewish or female, those who had had the wrong advisers at university or those who could not force themselves to join the Party. For these people, "the most they could hope for was being able to defend their doctoral dissertation at some institute in Minsk, if they could secure connections there," says Sergei Gelfand, publisher of the American Mathematical Society—who also happens to be the son of one of Russia's top 20th-century mathematicians, Israel Gelfand, a student of Mr. Kolmogorov. Some Western mathematicians, Sergei Gelfand adds, "even came for an extended stay because they realized there were a lot of talented people. This was unofficial mathematics."

    One such visitor was Dusa McDuff, then a British algebraist and now a professor emerita at the State University of New York at Stony Brook. She studied with the older Mr. Gelfand for six months, and credits this experience to opening her eyes both to what mathematics really is: "It was a wonderful education... Gelfand amazed me by talking of mathematics as though it were poetry."

    In the mathematical counterculture, math "was almost a hobby," recalls Sergei Gelfand. "So you could spend your time doing things that would not be useful to anyone for the nearest decade." Mathematicians called it "math for math's sake." There was no material reward in this—no tenure, no money, no apartments, no foreign travel; all they stood to gain was the respect of their peers.

    Math not only held out the promise of intellectual work without state interference (if also without its support) but also something found nowhere else in late-Soviet society: a knowable singular truth. "If I had been free to choose any profession, I would have become a literary critic," says Georgii Shabat, a well-known Moscow mathematician. "But I wanted to work, not spend my life fighting the censors." The search for that truth could take long years—but in the late Soviet Union, time seemed to stand still.

    When it all collapsed, the state stopped investing in math and holding its mathematicians hostage. It's hard to say which of these two factors did more to send Russian mathematicians to the West, primarily the U.S., but leave they did, in what was probably one of the biggest outflows of brainpower the world has ever known. Even the older Mr. Gelfand moved to the U.S. and taught at Rutgers University for nearly 20 years, almost until his death in October at the age of 96. The flow is probably unstoppable by now: A promising graduate student in Moscow or St. Petersburg, unable to find a suitable academic adviser at home, is most likely to follow the trail to the U.S.

    But the math culture they find in America, while less back-stabbing than that of the Soviet math establishment, is far from the meritocratic ideal that Russia's unofficial math world had taught them to expect. American math culture has intellectual rigor but also suffers from allegations of favoritism, small-time competitiveness, occasional plagiarism scandals, as well as the usual tenure battles, funding pressures and administrative chores that characterize American academic life. This culture offers the kinds of opportunities for professional communication that a Soviet mathematician could hardly have dreamed of, but it doesn't foster the sort of luxurious, timeless creative work that was typical of the Soviet math counterculture.

    For example, the American model may not be able to produce a breakthrough like the proof of the Poincaré Conjecture, carried out by the St. Petersburg mathematician Grigory Perelman.

    Mr. Perelman came to the United States as a young postdoctoral student in the early 1990s and immediately decided that America was math heaven; he wrote home demanding that his mother and his younger sister, a budding mathematician, move here. But three years later, when his postdoc hiatus was over and he was faced with the pressures of securing an academic position, he returned home, disillusioned.

    In St. Petersburg he went on the (admittedly modest) payroll of the math research institute, where he showed up infrequently and generally kept to himself for almost seven years, one of the greatest mathematical discoveries of at least the last hundred years. It's all but impossible to imagine an American institution that could have provided Mr. Perelman with this kind of near-solitary existence, free of teaching and publishing obligations.

    After posting his proof on the Web, Mr. Perelman traveled to the U.S. in the spring of 2003, to lecture at a couple of East Coast universities. He was immediately showered with offers of professorial appointments and research money, and, by all accounts, he found these offers gravely insulting, as he believes the monetization of achievement is the ultimate insult to mathematics. So profound was his disappointment with the rewards he was offered that, I believe, it contributed a great deal to his subsequent decision to quit mathematics altogether, along with the people who practice it. (He now lives with his mother on the outskirts of St. Petersburg.)

    A child of the Soviet math counterculture, he still held a singular truth to be self-evident: Math as it ought to be practiced, math as the ultimate flight of the imagination, is something money can't buy.

    This essay was adapted from Masha Gessen's latest book, "Perfect Rigor: A Genius and the Mathematical Breakthrough of the Century," a story of Grigory Perelman and the Poincaré Conjecture. She lives in Moscow and is the author of three previous books.
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    That is quite an interesting article. Coincidentally , I just started reading a book about the development of set theory in Russia, and its links to a strange mystical practice called "Name Worshiping" . Russia has made a substantial contribution mathematics, and its relationship to it is fascinating... considering this underlying theme of suppression and the Soviet's use for mathematics in relation to the mathematicians drive for beauty, truth, and creativity through it.

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    Uh, math education is really hard in Europe, especially in all Eastern Europe, all their schools (starting from middle school) were purposefully made really hard in order to produce "smart" citizens, even if they tried to indoctrinate them politically.

    But yeah also the US culture is a bit obsessed with having lots of money here and now, which is not the way to go to have important math discoveries. What can you do, to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    That is quite an interesting article. Coincidentally , I just started reading a book about the development of set theory in Russia, and its links to a strange mystical practice called "Name Worshiping" . Russia has made a substantial contribution mathematics, and its relationship to it is fascinating... considering this underlying theme of suppression and the Soviet's use for mathematics in relation to the mathematicians drive for beauty, truth, and creativity through it.
    That is quite a coincidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Uh, math education is really hard in Europe, especially in all Eastern Europe, all their schools (starting from middle school) were purposefully made really hard in order to produce "smart" citizens, even if they tried to indoctrinate them politically.

    But yeah also the US culture is a bit obsessed with having lots of money here and now, which is not the way to go to have important math discoveries. What can you do, to each his own.
    The USSR certainly has... limited admirability. But the specific case of this math community intrigued me. It's known to anyone that follows my politics that there areas in which I am very doubtful of capitalist or classical liberal economics. One of the areas where this is the strongest is in matters of scholastics, education, communications, and media. I suppose, in general, matters of information. So I look for alternatives where I can, and am sometimes surprised to find them in otherwise intellect supressing societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Uh, math education is really hard in Europe, especially in all Eastern Europe, all their schools (starting from middle school) were purposefully made really hard in order to produce "smart" citizens

    Correct.


    Over here you can't even become a professional chef without learning a math throughout your entire education.


    The only problem of this system is that majority is not really that much talented in math.
    So to be honest I think they are overdoing the math education over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Correct.

    Over here you can't even become a professional chef without learning a math through out your entire education.

    The only problem is that majority is not really that much talented in math.
    So to be honest I think they are overdoing the math education to be completly honest.
    +a gazillion. Stupid math. Gave me such grief for 12 years. Other than the basic stuff, I haven't used much of it for 10 years now. What a waste of precious time it was all through school.

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    thats a great article

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    +a gazillion. Stupid math. Gave me such grief for 12 years. Other than the basic stuff, I haven't used much of it for 10 years now. What a waste of precious time it was all through school.
    Yikes, and I'm struggling with the American math requirements. I almost didn't graduate High School because I barely passed Algebra 2. In college, I can't even get past remedial math. Which is part of why I'm not going... I can't seem to get beyond the High School Algebra 2 level in math skills.

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    I am great at arithmetic, but the more complex the math got, the less I tried/understood. Too many letters and numbers on a page start to confuse me.
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