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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    especially since 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'



    Oh... America isn't a democracy, is it?
    I thought it was a republic...
    It's really hard to define in simple terms. Probably the closest is a "constitutional federative representative democracy". Even then, that doesn't recognize that there are still many undemocratic aspects of our system of government (such as the Electoral College), and that the US exists somewhere between federation and confederation.

    The US was much more republican before the 17th Amendment provided for the direct election of Senators. That was the key shift toward becoming more of a representative democracy, along with the expansion of the franchise among various minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    The voters' primary concern is quality of life and which party they think can best deliver that for them based on the broad direction their policies seem to be aiming in. They know that many of these policies will be forgotten or reversed, but what can they do? It may annoy them that politicians break their promises, but that doesn't decide their vote, because all parties do it, and their priority has to be what each party is promising for the future as the party that promises to do something (or not to) will be at least a little more likely to than the party that doesn't.
    Ah, then I guess we generally agree on the point. The promises are more like guideposts to what the party is striving for and people understand that.

    On the bright side, not making ones promises is a good excuse to hate on a party and have the political power swing between groups from time to time.

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    In my OP I was not trying to take sides I just wanted to see what everyone's individual opinions are.

    Ok, so if we can agree the principles of democracy are best, what kind of democratic system would be best? I have a hard time accepting capitalism...
    I am a political neophyte, I suppose, but from what I understand, capitalism basically goes against my ideals for people. I mean, really, it says it all in the name. So what's wrong with democratic socialism?

    Again, I am not well versed in politics so I am just looking for others thoughts, and not an attack on my position.

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    Democratic socialism! =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Democratic socialism! =D
    Pinko!

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    I would gladly give up my suffrage for life if I never had to pay taxes again. I don't vote for anyone who ever wins, anyway.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I would gladly give up my suffrage for life if I never had to pay taxes again. I don't vote for anyone who ever wins, anyway.
    Taxes are important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Taxes are important.
    The vast majority of them could be eliminated and everything would be cool. Better, in fact.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I would gladly give up my suffrage for life if I never had to pay taxes again. I don't vote for anyone who ever wins, anyway.
    That's really scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    That's really scary.
    The vast majority of people I know would agree. And the vast majority of Americans, I would bet. You're talking about hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars over a lifetime. Voting really has little to do with my life situation, and I am not unusual. In fact, I've seen estimates as low as $100 for buying votes at the local level. Not switching parties or confirmed loyalties, but that is about what it would cost to get someone to show up and vote for a candidate about whom they do not care.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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