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    Don't Judge Me! Haphazard's Avatar
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    Does anybody else think that getting health coverage through work is a stupid idea in the first place?
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    This whole line of argument is stupid, folks. Bush didn't "create the educational system" (though he did make it more expensive and not any better) and Obama didn't put the economy in the toilet (though he is not doing a very good job with it now). There are many factors at play in the economic crisis and our mediocre primary and secondary school performance as a nation. Government ineptitude and bad policymaking are high on the lists of reasons for both, but you can't tie those things to one person alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Does anybody else think that getting health coverage through work is a stupid idea in the first place?
    I wouldn't complain!
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    I don't understand how conservatives can be against competition. Introducing a "control" plan keeps everyone honest.
    A "public option" would not be real competition, as the government would be in the position to subsidize (either directly or indirectly) that program at the expense of private competitors (and private actors outside the health care market, as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    A "public option" would not be real competition, as the government would be in the position to subsidize (either directly or indirectly) that program at the expense of private competitors (and private actors outside the health care market, as well).
    It's not free-market competition, but still competition. Which will make it harder for health insurance monopolies to jack up their rates.

    We should end the health insurance antitrust exemption, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    A "public option" would not be real competition, as the government would be in the position to subsidize (either directly or indirectly) that program at the expense of private competitors (and private actors outside the health care market, as well).
    They could subsidize the shit out of it dumping on the total market. But running corporations out of business doesn't benefit anyone.

    Rather than dumping the idea all together, why not focus on what subsidies should be/not be.

    The system doesn't really work as it currently stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    The system doesn't really work as it currently stands.
    No argument there; they can start by getting rid of counter-productive regulations (such as no buying health insurance across state lines, no co-ops, etc), implementing and enforcing anti-trust and anti-monopoly regulations [no arguments on that point, ajblaise], reigning in the trail lawyers, and so on, so that they could find out what the health market really is. After that, tax credits toward the purchase of private health insurance can be explored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's not free-market competition, but still competition. Which will make it harder for health insurance monopolies to jack up their rates.

    We should end the health insurance antitrust exemption, as well.
    Yes lets supplant 1000s of "monopolies" with one gigantic government run one. Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Does anybody else think that getting health coverage through work is a stupid idea in the first place?
    Yes - absolutely. I've got a friend with a chronic condition who *can't* quit her job - her health care and prescriptions are linked to her employment, and were she to get another job, she couldn't get coverage (preexisting condition). So it's stay with her current employer or be driven into permanent financial ruin - if not worse.

    Not cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    Definitely not by No Child Left Behind, not at all... unless he's some hidden Democrat or something...
    hahahahahahahahaha

    NCLB was the cornerstone to Bush's 2000 election victory when he said millions of times that it was a massive collaboration and thats why he was a uniter not a divider, because he worked with the Democrats to get it through.. hahahahaha

    "The legislation was proposed by the President on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH) and George Miller (D-CA) and Senators Judd Gregg (R-NH) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA), and signed by President Bush."

    No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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