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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Yeah well fortunately most of our public sees the long waiting lines, suicide help, INSANE taxes, and reduced standard of living most people "enjoy" in countries with socialist governments. So the fucking around will continue because we arent all sold on the idea of reducing what we already have in favor of a few people at the bottom getting free drugs.


    What is being reduced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    What is being reduced?
    Standards of living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    It died when we all decided we wanted to live in a stable country and not have to overthrow our government every 20 years?
    huh?

    its not that big of a deal. just try it for 5 years, if it sucks, we can reverse it.

    if society is so oblong, dense, and immobile so that we can't even experiment, and make a social decision whether to keep it or not, then i don't understand what the point of democracy is. Just call it money-ocracy.

    My only real dislike of this whole process is people just end up becoming bots for whoever their puppetmaster is. kind of pointless to talk to bots and pretend its democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    They also have a LOWER standard of living than we do. Whats your point?
    Also false, lol.

    The Economist Intelligence Unit's quality-of-life index

    Is there anything you haven't been completely wrong on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Standards of living.
    How?

    Standards of living increase if people are living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    huh?

    its not that big of a deal. just try it for 5 years, if it sucks, we can reverse it.

    if society is so oblong, dense, and immobile so that we can't even experiment, and make a social decision whether to keep it or not, then i don't understand what the point of democracy is. Just call it money-ocracy.
    That's not what happens. People become dependent on the government programs. Politicians that even hint at reducing their benefits commit political suicide.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Also false, lol.

    The Economist Intelligence Unit's quality-of-life index

    Is there anything you haven't been completely wrong on?
    Let me ask you this, have you EVER traveled abroad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    How?

    Standards of living increase if people are living.
    People will die without socialism? Damn I didnt know it was that serious.

    Standards decrease when you take money away from people and they have to live on less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That's not what happens. People become dependent on the government programs. Politicians that even hint at reducing their benefits commit political suicide.
    Bingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That's not what happens. People become dependent on the government programs. Politicians that even hint at reducing their benefits commit political suicide.
    So ppl who get "dependent" will become more powerful than budget watchers?

    Thats what it comes down to? Wait, but what if the doctors become more powerful than the lawyers? lol

    I always thought it was about cutting down the stupid American healthcare practice of blanket antibiotics usage, which is very expensive and wasteful, and instead becoming more frugal and careful about specific antibiotic usage and resistance. And that practice can't change unless someone big comes in to change it because pharmaceutical companies currently run a policy of massive antibiotics usage in the US (because DUH, they manufacture antibiotics). But never mind, it just comes down to dependents vs. budget watchers. ok. uhhh

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