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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    WTF, he killed 13 people?
    Yes but I heard he was a really good dancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    WTF, he killed 13 people? When is a good time to start?
    Maybe he'll be like the DC sniper and blame it on race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    WTF, he killed 13 people? When is a good time to start?
    Seriously....

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    You know it's nothing I love more than knee jerk and lightening quick emotional reactions, but can we wait a minute before we start hating him please?
    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    WTF, he killed 13 people? When is a good time to start?
    This.

    I don't think I'm capable of giving people the benefit of the doubt when they shoot 10+ people because of their own personal aggression on TOP of having mental-health training to look for signs and symptoms of being a maniac. I see nothing but moronic contradictions all over this article.

    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Why should the army have to keep people like that? He obviously didn't belong there. He was even on the FBI's radar because of threatening internet postings he made.
    We discharge people all the time who confess to being mentally unsound. The problem is, people don't like confessing, and if they do, it's on purpose to get out of their contracts or in a way where it's hard to stick them in the fluffy padded rooms. The army doesn't discharge every cry-baby that says it's too hard. If he were an E-nothing with a contract almost up, I could see it. A Major? Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Yeah, he didn't want to be part of the "senseless war" so he senselessly shot and killed a dozen people, and wounded 30. I think its a good thing he survived. Maybe he'll realize what a piece of shit he is before the army hangs him.
    This. I think I could kiss you right now.

    And they should have noticed something was off and addressed it, instead transfering him from base to base.
    This happens a lot with higher ranks. It's harder to discharge a higher rank, and its harder to do things like take rank away or stick them in other positions. Officers are very keen about getting in their little corners and staying there hell or high water, competent or not.

    I'm not quite sure how to explain the way that shit all works to a civilian, but either way all I know is we're all going to have an ass load of buddy system and suicide training death-by-power-points now thanks to this. That's the army's answer to everything..
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    I like the way when you're not immediately outraged that you're somehow on the wrong side of right.

    This is first hand information I get from my job from clinical and longitudinal studies done at NIH and the major mental health care organization I work: The military does an absolutely horrible job of taking care of the mental and emotional health of soldiers. Is this a surprise? Shoot and kill. Have a problem with that? Man up!

    From what I'm reading he was trying to get out of the military and was very vocal about the discrimination and mental problems he was experiencing. I cannot tell you how many VA and civilian psychologists and psychiatrists I work with that are inundated and totally unequipped to deal with the amount of PTSD and depression vets are experiencing and even combating the stigma within the military about seeking help for your issues that are combat related. Combat related PTSD is the number one area that I work with my mental health care professionals about because the soldiers aren't getting any help and they need to find ways to treat and reach those who treatment the most. The military is honorably discharging a lot broken people.

    My protest lies within the fact that guy going batshit is the result of a severely broken mental health care system within the military. Of course this guy is in control of his own actions and what he did is inexcusable. But what is he the product of? Would it be better if he was one of the hundreds of soldiers who committed suicide to cope with their issues? Does that make the issues go away?
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    It's silly the way people are simplifying his reason for snapping until it's so diluted that people then criticize it as a weak reason. WTF? We'll never know what he was going through, or his full reasoning. Not defending the guy's actions, but I'd rather he be attacked on legitimate grounds than illegitimate (actions, not motives).
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Would it be better if he was one of the hundreds of soldiers who committed suicide to cope with their issues?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Yes.
    Yeah, that is a pretty clear-cut yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Yes.
    Suicide: The Warrior's Way.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Killing 10+ people, I'm sure, was the best way to cope with his symptoms. It's definitely the army's fault that he's a nut job, what with their "Volunteer to kill people!" mentally.
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