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    Dreaming the life onemoretime's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Do you know the definition of irony?
    It's not pedantry when you actually have to explain some ideas. But then, you already knew this, didn't you?

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    I'm proud to be European. Being European is sort of equivalent to being white, but it's more than that because there are a lot of white people around the world who are separated and distant from their ancestors' European culture, white Americans being a prime example. Also, there are a great many people whom I'd consider European, in the sense of having citizen status of a European nation and contributing valuably to European culture, economy, etc., although they might have their ancestral roots in a different continent.

    Trouble comes when a word acquires a specialised, politically charged meaning that co-exists alongside its original, more common meaning. Pride even outside of the political sense can be both positive and negative. Consider the phrases "I'm proud of my children's achievements" contrasted with "he's too proud to apologise". A person can say "I'm proud of my family" without it having to mean that he's saying he believes all other families are inferior.

    It's a shame that these "cleaner" meanings end up villified because of the existence of the less innocent ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    That reminds me of my trip to Japan. Though Tokyo is a cosmopolitan city something like 97% of people who live there are Japanese so as soon as I as a white European spotted another non-Japanese person (he could have even been black or Indian etc) I felt like waving to them or going over to them and introducing myself (I am being serious here.) It was the most weird thing which I haven't felt in any other country, I suddenly felt an identification with "my own kind" because I was so obviously a minority.
    Not me. I loved being white in Japan. You get the same respect as a Japanese person, minus the inhibiting social rules expected of locals (if you do something inappropriate, they'll let it slide because you're a foreigner and don't know any better). And when I saw other whites my first thought was "you better not fuck up the good thing I've got going here, gaijin"
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's not pedantry when you actually have to explain some ideas.
    Yes, hence why I asked you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes, hence why I asked you.


    I'm sorry if you were just being snarky there - sarcasm doesn't translate all that well over the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Not me. I loved being white in Japan. You get the same respect as a Japanese person, minus the inhibiting social rules expected of locals (if you do something inappropriate, they'll let it slide because you're a foreigner and don't know any better). And when I saw other whites my first thought was "you better not fucked the good thing I've got going here, gaijin"
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    Actually yes, it was being the token white Muslim in our overwhelmingly Indian/Pakistani local Muslim community that first woke me up to how much of a part of me my Europeanness and Whiteness is, and made me feel defiantly proud of it. It still didn't make me feel at all like who/what I am is superior though.

    I guess if you're an asshole, you'll find some excuse to inflict it on the world at large, whatever words they say you're allowed to use... whereas if you're not, then why would you?
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    I'm still waiting for someone to define "whiteness" in its own terms, rather than as a comparison to some other established cultural minority. The only thing I can really come up with is "sense of entitlement".

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I'm still waiting for someone to define "whiteness" in its own terms, rather than as a comparison to some other established cultural minority. The only thing I can really come up with is "sense of entitlement".
    Having a sense of entitlement is clearly not a white-exclusive trait, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Having a sense of entitlement is clearly not a white-exclusive trait, either.
    I'm sure we define entitlement in very different ways.

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