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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    How that? White culture is everywhere, celebrated daily. It's like one nonstop party.
    To be "white culture," it would have to be something that:
    a.) Most "whites" enjoy or identify with.
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    b.) Most non-whites do not enjoy or identify with.

    To me, labeling basic "American" culture as white is a lot like racists labeling the joyful consumption of fried chicken or watermelon as "black" characteristics; quite a lot of cognitive dissonance going on there....and, in the United States, the negative repercussions of such cognitive dissonance is more strongly experienced by members of minority groups (such as studious black students being stigmatized by peer groups as "oreo's" trying to "act white").

    "White" pride is stupid because any aggregation of predominantly white cultures will contain several elements that are mutually opposed with elements one may identify with-race is simply too broad a category to have legitimate meaning as an aspect of one's identity in isolation of other factors.

    "Black" pride is highly problematic, but (afro-centrist manifestations aside) not as inherently absurd as "white" pride as far as the United States i concerned, due to the involuntary amalgamation of various predominantly black cultures into one shared, prolonged, and involuntary cultural experience. In effect, race was turned into an ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I dunno, go hang out in a Puerto Rican or a black neighborhood and see if its quite as pervasive.
    So you've just gone ahead and proven my point from earlier - the only way to define "white" culture is in terms of what it is not - minority culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    So you've just gone ahead and proven my point from earlier - the only way to define "white" culture is in terms of what it is not - minority culture.
    Uhhh usually in order to make a distinction we have to ya know... make distinctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Uhhh usually in order to make a distinction we have to ya know... make distinctions.
    Ya... but there are two kinds of distinctions: positive and negative distinctions. Describe a distinctly "white" American cultural quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Ya... but there are two kinds of distinctions: positive and negative distinctions. Describe a distinctly "white" American cultural quality.
    positive or negative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    positive or negative?
    By definition, positive. Something that white people do in America distinct from any other ethnicity. Hate groups are not a good example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    By definition, positive. Something that white people do in America distinct from any other ethnicity. Hate groups are not a good example.
    Sun bathing.

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    How much do you want to bet that the controversial, modern idea of "Southern Pride" does not actually stem from racism but rather a perceived slight from yankees for viewing them as uneducated, inbred manchildren.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    St. Patrick's Day was started when Irish immigrants weren't considered white people.
    This fixation on color is incorrect. Just because they weren't considered equal to Brits/Germans/etc does not mean they weren't white.

    I'm starting to think the term "white" has some sort of perverted meaning to some people, perhaps analogous with "power", while others take the term at face value...the color of someone's skin.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Sun bathing.
    Plenty of Asian-Americans and Latinos sunbathe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    How much do you want to bet that the controversial, modern idea of "Southern Pride" does not actually stem from racism but rather a perceived slight from yankees for viewing them as uneducated, inbred manchildren.
    Mostly. Then again, that's "southern" pride, not "white" pride.

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