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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    You learn hard lessons in a depression, but the vast majority of Americans weren't starving, or even in danger of starving.
    You're right. 10% of Americans then still would have been 12 million.

    We spend far more on transfer payments now than we did then. How would that make sense given that we have not had a crisis nearly as bad since?
    Do you really think economics has nothing to do with policy?

    The threats of a fascist revolution/coup in the 1930s were and remain greatly overrated. The Business Plot in particular.
    Pure, unadulterated BS. It just looks that way because of historical perspective. There is no teleology guiding us to the present - what happens if Huey Long isn't assassinated? What happens if the Japanese don't bomb Pearl Harbor, and the UK and Germany make a separate peace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    You're right. 10% of Americans then still would have been 12 million.
    10% of Americans would have starved?


    Do you really think economics has nothing to do with policy?
    When did I write that?


    Pure, unadulterated BS. It just looks that way because of historical perspective. There is no teleology guiding us to the present - what happens if Huey Long isn't assassinated? What happens if the Japanese don't bomb Pearl Harbor, and the UK and Germany make a separate peace?
    Not BS in the least. There was never a major threat of fascist takeover in the United States. If Huey Long isn't assassinated, he still doesn't become POTUS. If the Japanese don't bomb Pearl Harbor, FDR continues maneuvering the U.S. into alliance, but without open declaration of war. If the UK and Germany make a separate peace, Hitler most likely double-crosses them like he did the USSR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Pure, unadulterated BS. It just looks that way because of historical perspective. There is no teleology guiding us to the present - what happens if Huey Long isn't assassinated? What happens if the Japanese don't bomb Pearl Harbor, and the UK and Germany make a separate peace?
    It sounds like you bought into the scare tactics. What they did was not much different than the neo-con exaggeration of the terrorist threat.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It sounds like you bought into the scare tactics. What they did was not much different than the neo-con exaggeration of the terrorist threat.
    The funny part is, there WAS a significant Communist threat to United States security in the 1930s and 1940s, but it came from the FDR and Truman Administration having appointed to high-ranking positions spies for the Soviet Union. The threats were security- and policy influence-related. That was far more pressing than any notion of an outright proletarian revolution during the Depression.
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