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    Originally Posted by Jennifer:
    Media has fractured information and put so much spin on it that we have no way of telling what is true anymore anyway... so what's the point of arguing rationally? We've lost any sense of baseline
    Exactly. It's hard to get to to questions of interpretation when you can't even agree on basic facts. While I love me some tasty internets, it does seem like the internet allows people to seek out bias-affirming information and opinions.

    I'm not sure if the increasing media bias (on both sides) is a side-effect of that, or just another factor that exacerbates the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    "Obama gets bad approval ratings...HAH! THAT PROVES IT HE'S A BAD PRESIDENT I KNEW IT!!!!"

    Boring, predictable, and most of all irrelevant.
    That's mostly generated in your mind from your own biases. You're guilty of the same thing you are complaining about. I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you lack much ability to analyze your own thinking in a detached manner. That leads to unconscious hypocrisy.

    However, I do agree with you. Most people only come to support their own views. However, how you interpret the news is completely up to you, so I've found. I can tell you all that trees grow out of the ground, and you will argue that they grow out of fossilized dinosaur asses. Nobody can agree on basic facts because everyone is so extremely heavily blinded by their own beliefs about the world. That is why I advocate looking at facts, making predictions, and then recounting when one is correct or incorrect as an objective measure of what the world is really like. That's the scientific process applied to the world in general. Unfortunately, we'd all disagree over the results of the experiment, so it doesn't matter.

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    The people with the strongest views are naturally the loudest.

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    It's a politics subforum, what else do you expect? Especially in regards to the nature of discourse on the topic in general nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    People have always been tribal, and remain so.

    I think that's all the answer we need right there.
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    (Does anybody else see this as 95% of the reason sports exist?)


    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    That's mostly generated in your mind from your own biases. You're guilty of the same thing you are complaining about. I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you lack much ability to analyze your own thinking in a detached manner. That leads to unconscious hypocrisy.

    However, I do agree with you. Most people only come to support their own views. However, how you interpret the news is completely up to you, so I've found. I can tell you all that trees grow out of the ground, and you will argue that they grow out of fossilized dinosaur asses. Nobody can agree on basic facts because everyone is so extremely heavily blinded by their own beliefs about the world. That is why I advocate looking at facts, making predictions, and then recounting when one is correct or incorrect as an objective measure of what the world is really like. That's the scientific process applied to the world in general. Unfortunately, we'd all disagree over the results of the experiment, so it doesn't matter.

    May the earth be forever floating in the marble pouch of giant space alien.
    I'm not a particularly big Obama supporter. I just find it a little silly that I can look at the usernames alone of people who started political threads and know exactly how the thread is going to go.

    I mean, in your thread there, what sort of discussion or meaningful discourse is going to result? You're literally just gloating. I've seen binary do the same thing over and over; it's just like, wow another post from binary applauding progressive social legislation.

    And I'm typically a pretty big fan of progressive social legislation! It's just like...I don't know, I mean, you guys have the right to post what you want I'm not trying to get your posts deleted or anything, just commenting. It just seems like few of these threads ever involve any actual exchange of ideas, just the same people parroting the same tired positions again and again.

    And of course, you can't ever change your position with new information, because then you'd have no consistency of thought. (Or be a flip-flop. Your choice.)

    Actually I'm sorry I made that initial post; I probably should have just kept it to myself. I didn't really think before speaking.

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Most people only come to support their own views. However, how you interpret the news is completely up to you, so I've found. I can tell you all that trees grow out of the ground, and you will argue that they grow out of fossilized dinosaur asses. Nobody can agree on basic facts because everyone is so extremely heavily blinded by their own beliefs about the world. That is why I advocate looking at facts, making predictions, and then recounting when one is correct or incorrect as an objective measure of what the world is really like. That's the scientific process applied to the world in general. Unfortunately, we'd all disagree over the results of the experiment, so it doesn't matter.
    I think the mistake here is assuming that just because everything is a perspective, then every perspective must be equal in truth value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think the mistake here is assuming that just because everything is a perspective, then every perspective must be equal in truth value.
    That was not my assumption, by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Accusing people of tribalism is an easy thing to do for someone who can afford it.
    Accusing? That's not the right word. I didn't mean to imply a value judgment, or take a moral stance. It was just an observation... people are tribal. They just are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen
    That is why I advocate looking at facts, making predictions, and then recounting when one is correct or incorrect as an objective measure of what the world is really like. That's the scientific process applied to the world in general.
    And when do you plan to start doing this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And when do you plan to start doing this?
    When you do it first.

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