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    Quote Originally Posted by Prototype View Post
    A lot of people are going to get really pissed off soon!
    Wait until the earthquake and half of the US disappears!

    Actually, I've already had one nasty comment... about mentioning High School Musical.
    Once that stuff gets in your head, you'll never be free of it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Basically agree. He was elected because america needed a 'feel good' moment and the media went crazy with praise, not because he was especially capable or deserving.
    That's a little too much.

    Just because someone is popular doesn't mean they're less worthy than the less-personable candidate.
    Just because people absconded with his public image for their own purposes doesn't automatically downgrade his credentials. I have trouble thinking of any better candidates who were elected in the last few decades, he's actually pretty damned smart, thoughtful, a good listener, imaginative, etc. rather than a one-trick pony.

    But again, he's human and not worth all the hero worship I was seeing; and I do agree that a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon in order to make history and chase a vision.

    That's what the current level of disillusionment proves: That regardless of how good or bad he is as a candidate and president, that "Ideal vision" people had for him does not match the "reality." It doesn't mean the reality was bad, it could easily mean the Ideal was completely whacked.
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    Default White house does war with Fox

    I put in a balance of different video sources, so you don't have to "suffer" watching all Fox clips.


    It started with top white house media strategist/communications director Annita Dunn denounced Fox as nothing more than an arm of the republican party (more on her to come).

    "It's opinion journalism masquerading as news."

    "The reality of it is, fox news often operates as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican party," she told Howard Kurtz. - quoting her from the NYT.

    Were going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent, said Anita Dunn, the White House communications director, in a telephone interview on Sunday. As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we dont need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.

    [YOUTUBE="lZLljiwCxdo"]Anita's comments[/YOUTUBE]
    [YOUTUBE="4jCL1DRbRU8"]White house controversy[/YOUTUBE]


    Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/bu...dia/12fox.html


    Then there were attacks from Rom Emanuel and David Axelrod, denying the legitimacy of Fox.

    [YOUTUBE="wQTO9CyUEnY"]Rahm Emanuel and Axelrod[/YOUTUBE]

    [YOUTUBE="HXFen7IvFR4"]The media defends Fox[/YOUTUBE]

    And when they tried to exclude Fox from a media pool yesterday, the other networks actually refused to participate unless Fox was allowed in too. Weird. The left media is actually standing up for journalism and its role in informing the public, no matter what side you're on. The white house shouldn't be dictating that only media that agrees with it can be given a voice, and everyone else is illegitimate. It's divisiveness, because while they attack Fox, they also attack its viewers. Outright attacking the media is not something the president should be engaging in, but it is Chicago style local politics. Good for the media actually standing up for what's right.


    [YOUTUBE="5S7S2M03G0I"]CBS interview[/YOUTUBE]

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    My advice, don't pay any attention to the media
    ... They say that knowledge is free, and to truly acquire wisdom always comes with a price... Well then,... That will be $10, please!

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    The Bush administration gave Fox News and talk radio preferred treatment and excluded liberal press. Now Fox is whining when the tides have turned.

    Boo hoo.

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    Default Mao Zedung in the white house (a communism thread)

    So, I'd been saying there were maoists in the White House. However much they follow Mao, I do not know. But I do know that Anita Dunn calls him her favourite philospher and Obama's manufacturing czar agrees that, "we agree with mao, politcal power comes from barrel of gun". And those are two people in a long line of self avowed communists and socialists that are or have been in the white house under this administration, for some very odd reason.

    I find it disturbing that these people, who obviously believe in communism and marxism, focus on Mao and his thinking to any degree. The communist revolutionary was responsible for the deaths of 40~70 million people, mostly killed through starvation because of the agricultural policies he employed. \

    Video of Anita Dun is below.


    White House Vs. Fox: Chairman Mao - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
    October 16, 2009, 1:52 pm
    White House Vs. Fox: Chairman Mao
    By Sheryl Gay Stolberg

    The war of words between the White House and Fox News is intensifying and getting personal.

    Glenn Beck, the outspoken Fox commentator, has unearthed a video showing Anita Dunn, the White House communications director, giving a speech in June in which she identifies Mao Zedong, the Chinese communist revolutionary as one of two favorite political philosophers. (The other, she said, is Mother Teresa.) Ms. Dunns take was all about how people can make their own choices to get involved, or in quoting someone seeking Mother Teresas help, as Find Your Own Calcutta.

    The Beck video is here:

    [YOUTUBE="HiBDpL2dExY"]Anita Dun and Mao[/YOUTUBE]

    The video has sparked an uproar in the conservative blogosphere, fueled by Mr. Beck, who claimed on his program that there are Marxist revolutionaries who have dedicated themselves to principles that will destroy our nation as we know it. He installed a red phone line in his studio and demanded, on air, that Ms. Dunn call in.

    So far, the red phone isnt ringing, and Ms. Dunn said she isnt planning on using it anytime soon.

    In an e-mail message, Ms. Dunn said, My source for the Mao quote was actually the late Lee Atwater, either in an article or bio I read after the 1988 election. Now that Ive revealed this I hope I dont get Keith Olbermann angry with me. Let it be noted that I also quoted Mother Teresa, but no one is accusing me of being a saint!

    The speech she gave was a high school commencement address. Ms. Dunn says that the line about Mao and Mother Teresa was intended to be ironic neither was a political philosopher and that she used it simply to illustrate a larger point about the importance of challenging the conventional wisdom.

    Its no surprise that Mr. Beck singled out Ms. Dunn. She has been on the forefront of White House pushback against Fox News. On the White House blog weeks ago, she took apart Mr. Becks list of the so-called czars, pointing out that many on his hit list were confirmed by the Senate or positions held in the Bush administration.

    Our colleague Brian Stelter reported on Monday that the Obama White House has, to an unusual degree, singled out Fox as a part of what it regards as the political opposition. Ms. Dunn told CNN last Sunday that Fox News was essentially the research arm of the Republican party.

    Were going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent, she told Mr. Stelter in an interview. As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we dont need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.

    Among those weighing on the Dunn-Beck brouhaha is Peter Wehner, a former policy analyst in the George W. Bush White House, who has in the past been critical of Mr. Beck. Heres his take.

    And even at the extremely conservative Riehl World View, the take is that her speech -- aside from other issues shouldnt be a reason to indict her.

    On the left side, Media Matters, which tends to monitor all right-leaning sentiments, points to many Republicans, including Barry Goldwater, who have cited the Chairman Maos declarations as inspiration.
    And the manufacturing czar:

    [YOUTUBE="27cXXirAIw4"]Ron Bloom, at the point of a gun[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    However much they follow Mao, I do not know. But I do know that Anita Dunn calls him her favourite philospher and Obama's manufacturing czar agrees that, "we agree with mao, politcal power comes from barrel of gun".
    Well one need not be a Maoist per se to agree with that. I believe Mao himself was influenced by von Clausewitz, who noted that war is politics by other means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    The Bush administration gave Fox News and talk radio preferred treatment and excluded liberal press. Now Fox is whining when the tides have turned.

    Boo hoo.
    I'd like to know when Bush did that. I'm open to the possibility that presidents have always given preferential treatment to media that treats that favorably. But The entire angle the white house has been taking against fox has been rather extreme and silly. Unfortunately, it gives them reason to compare him to Nixon in how he treated the opposing media :/ .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well one need not be a Maoist per se to agree with that. I believe Mao himself was influenced by von Clausewitz, who noted that war is politics by other means.
    Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't communism (not necessarily the Marxist brand) long been associated with very violent revolution in history? I'm sure that's where Mao was coming from in asserting that power comes through lethal MEANS, or the threat of it. Government can use any means to assert its power. I do wonder what Mao's take on controlling information/media was, because i haven't seen a communist nation (or the remnants thereof) that doesn't either control its media through fear and force, or through government regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't communism long been associated with very violent revolution in history? I'm sure that's where Mao was coming from in asserting that power comes through lethal MEANS, or the threat of it.
    Yes, but the concept of the close almost inseperable connection between military power and political power has a rather long history. You can trace it back to Machiavelli, who himself relied on the ancient Greeks and Romans for inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I'd like to know when Bush did that. I'm open to the possibility that presidents have always given preferential treatment to media that treats that favorably. But The entire angle the white house has been taking against fox has been rather extreme and silly. Unfortunately, it gives them reason to compare him to Nixon in how he treated the opposing media :/ .
    So this thread is serious?

    So can you make a case for Fox being a moderate, balanced news source?
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