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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Latinos in this country are pretty prejudiced as well. I worked in a predominantly Hispanic school once and you would be astonished by what comes out of the mouths of even middle school children. It goes back to the white v. black in their ancestry.
    Exactly. I lived in a heavily Latin community for years. I saw it with my own eyes, and was totally shocked.

    I knew a black Dominican girl who was more browned skinned than I am, had very beautiful tightly curled hair, was clearly of African descent. She claimed, adamantly, that she was white Caucasian. It's my understanding that many Latin people check that they are white, and identify as white, when indeed they are more African, or more indigenous. It's quite twisted, and the attitudes in the countries are often similar to pre-Civil Rights Movement in the US. There's so little open attention to race related issues. The situation gets swept under the rug; and yet, it's all so glaringly obvious if you are familiar with the culture, or just turn on Telemundo.
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    I believe in Latin America there's a one-drop rule where if you're part White you're considered to be White.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I believe in Latin America there's a one-drop rule where if you're part White you're considered to be White.
    So, it's like the reverse of ours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    So, it's like the reverse of ours?
    Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    I don't think how open a person is about their beliefs is a good gauge of how racist they are.
    I think its indicative of how socially acceptable racism is within the environment one is raised in, which in turn influences how racist a person actually is. In short, its about as good a gauge as any, outside of membership within an overtly racist organization. What do you consider to be better indicators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I think its indicative of how socially acceptable racism is within the environment one is raised in, which in turn influences how racist a person actually is. In short, its about as good a gauge as any, outside of membership within an overtly racist organization. What do you consider to be better indicators?
    You would have to know a person personally to know whether they are racist or not. There are reasons why an Asian or white person might not express their racist beliefs in public, that have nothing to do with them not having them. A person might be influenced by society to keep their views to themselves, but I don't think that diminishes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    You would have to know a person personally to know whether they are racist or not. There are reasons why an Asian or white person might not express their beliefs in public, that have nothing to do with them not having them. A person might be influenced by society to keep their views to themselves, but I don't think that diminishes them.
    I have to disagree on that point; social pressures to keep certain views to oneself represents the negative reinforcement aspect of socialization. In other words, people are socialized to regard racism as an undesirable trait, which impacts their actual beliefs over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I have to disagree on that point; social pressures to keep certain views to oneself represents the negative reinforcement aspect of socialization. In other words, people are socialized to regard racism as an undesirable trait, which impacts their actual beliefs over time.
    There is often a contradiction between implied social behavior and explicit social behavior and people sense the vibrations between the two.

    For example a white family may never have said explicitly to a child, we don't want you to bring home a non-white person, but behaviorally whenever a parent saw an interracial couple there could have been reactions of disapproval by headshaking or hard stares. So while such behaviors may not have been verbalized, attitudinally they are still transmitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    So while such behaviors may not have been verbalized, attitudinally they are still transmitted.
    And behaviors/attitudes are also transmitted explicitly, directly, and without the cognitive dissonance which the mixed signals you refer to would bring about. In short, casual racism has more of an impact than repressed racism, which invites critical evaluation of the behaviors/attitudes being transmitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I have to disagree on that point; social pressures to keep certain views to oneself represents the negative reinforcement aspect of socialization. In other words, people are socialized to regard racism as an undesirable trait, which impacts their actual beliefs over time.
    But if the family/community structure encouraged racist attitudes, and these attitudes have been ingrained, the pressures of greater society may have little to no effect on a person's beliefs.

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