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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I lurve America. And I lurve powerful America. In that, if I could have my choice of current candidates for "most powahful nation on earth" the USA would win by a mile. A long mile. I guess what I'm saying is, America! Abuse me!

    Wait. I'm Canadian. You already do.

    I gots to say, tho, while I have never been an Obama fan, the tenor of some of the opposition to him is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as some of the more absurd charges leveled at Bush when he was in office. I wish the more moderate voices in the States got a better airing, but I suppose the squeaky wheels get the grease.

    Oh and PS. The EU sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Yes it did. And what does this have to do with modern European style social, health, and economic reform making us more like "everyone else"?
    I was pointing out how where the ideals came from is not really the issue. (And it might seem all the same to you but EU doesn't quite work like a country. It might be headed that way....I dunno...but, we have diverging opinions on how things should work.) The issue for you seems to be America is becoming more like "everyone else" regardless of whether that is good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    And it might seem all the same to you but EU doesn't quite work like a country. It might be headed that way....I dunno...but, we have diverging opinions on how things should work.
    I'm well aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I lurve America. And I lurve powerful America. In that, if I could have my choice of current candidates for "most powahful nation on earth" the USA would win by a mile. A long mile. I guess what I'm saying is, America! Abuse me!

    Wait. I'm Canadian. You already do.
    What exactly are we doing to abuse you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    What exactly are we doing to abuse you?
    This:



    But the Canadians don't seem too unhappy:


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    Anyway, i posted this in another thread, but it is relevant to what the left in this country wants for America, and gives credence to my earlier assertion that they, along with much of the rest of the world, wants to see our standard of living come down to their level for various reasons, one being the redistribution of wealth to other nations.

    To further illustrate my point about the political side of the global warming TOOl, a means to an end, let me quote the self proclaimed socialist Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein in a paper he wrote at the University of Chicago:

    "It is even possible that desirable redistribution is more likely to occur through climate change policy than otherwise, or to be accomplished more effectively through climate policy than through direct foreign aid,"
    "We agree that if the United States does spend a great deal on emissions reductions as part of an international agreement, and if the agreement does give particular help to disadvantaged people, considerations of distributive justice support its action, even if better redistributive mechanisms are imaginable.

    "If the United States agrees to participate in a climate change agreement on terms that are not in the nation's interest, but that help the world as a whole, there would be no reason for complaint, certainly if such participation is more helpful to poor nations than conventional foreign-aid alternatives,"

    "If we care about social welfare, we should approve of a situation in which a wealthy nation is willing to engage in a degree of self-sacrifice when the world benefits more than that nation loses."

    The ends is wealth redistribution, for people like Sustein. A great many people share his ambition. However, there are also other individuals and groups with slightly different goals, but they all push the agenda through mutual interests and like minds. The same process that creates any other movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Sweet! We just won the popularity contest! Everything's fixed.

    I would question each person on whether they thought the popular kid at school/office was a good person and a model for reflection.
    The survey only comments on Obama's popularity and its effect on the US's global popularity. It doesn't actually suggest that popular = good leader, nor does it indicate that Obama is not a good leader.

    Since popularity and leadership ability are unrelated here, I don't really see your point. Nobody ever said that Obama was a good leader because of his popularity.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    I say Germany is more admired, just by the plain fact noone flies airplanes into our skyscrapers
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    I'm more worried about the Right's agenda more than the Left's. Either way, globalization is going to be the end of civilization.
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I say Germany is more admired, just by the plain fact noone flies airplanes into our skyscrapers
    haha. well...not yet anyway.
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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